Just wait till the F-16 sorties start.
You won't be able to swing a cat in here without hitting a whining tankie symp.
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Those stories already started, some Russian mil-bloggers say that F16s are already in Ukraine which is probably copium. But I wouldn't be too surprised if this isn't accidental and Ukrainians re-doubled efforts to take down Russian planes (e.g. via smart and unexpected movements of anti-air installations) in anticipations of F16s coming, they're a lot more useful more quickly if they don't have to operate in contested skies. Every air-to-air missile you don't need to have in your loadout is another air-to-ground one.
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Was this the Ghost of Keeeeeeeeeeeeev?
Background: On 22 December, Ukrainian defenders shot down three Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers on the southern front.
Dude... its been three fucking days. Unless the drop in air sorties went from dozens down to zero and stay that way for weeks to a month, this means absolutely nothing.
True to you. Strikes were reported as irregular, combing in intense series whenever Russia wanted a bigger impact. Saying just a couple of days of lesser bombing means it made an impact is too optimistic. They could've prepared ammunition for another bigger strike. But journoes need to write news somehow?
Make that 4 as of today.
The Sukhoi Su-34 (Russian: Сухой Су-34; NATO reporting name: Fullback)[6] is a Soviet-origin Russian twin-engine, twin-seat, all-weather supersonic medium-range fighter-bomber/strike aircraft.[7][8][9][10] It first flew in 1990, intended for the Soviet Air Forces, and it entered service in 2014 with the Russian Air Force.[11]
It's sort of a shit design for 2023 tbh.
Sounds like Ukraine got a new air defense system... Maybe they moved a Patriot battery?
It's pretty mid nowadays, nowhere near the levels of the F-22 or F-35. But the F-16 C, D or MLU versions are in almost every way a very modern fighter. Russia does pretty much the same thing, but while an upgrade F-16 is called a 'block 50', an upgraded SU-27 is called an SU-30 (or 34, or 35). They're basically all improved versions of 1970s planes.
The SU57 and Mig-35 are basically non-existent, if not actually so.
The F-16 is absolutely not the best fighter out there anymore, but it's hardly a pushover and at the very least on par with what Russia is fielding.
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there's no evidence for this btw, take ukrainian media with a mountain of salt
who needs evidence, when the goal is to keep the narrative alive
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Says Pravda.com.ua. Shouldn't this fall under rule 1?
Tbh on second thought it probably should. I haven't seen any confirmation of any downed Su-34s, which you'd think Ukraine would be extremely eager to post.
Official Ukrainian claims always take a while, they don't want to give Russians real-time intel and they don't make exceptions for "well the Russians probably know already", too much organisational overhead everything is held back a couple of days.
Ukraine has been pretty eager to share any successes in this conflict, even perceived successes (e.g. the landing operation on Crimea). Images from that were released almost immediately.
They have a clean fact check record. Don't confuse the Ukrainian and Russian Pravda, the latter belongs to the KPRF aka Putin stooges.
...oh just noticed that's a lemmygrad account they won't see me. If some kind person not banned on lemmygrad would please relay that to the tankies.
Ukrainian pravda
Point disregarded.
Is the Su in Su-34 short for cyka?
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