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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 hours ago

That was painful to watch. Trump and Vence were pathetic and the end rambling about Biden, laptop, wtf was that? If Kamala did then same they would have taken her by force to a mental institution.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

It would be wildly illegal for me to say what I think of, and wish for, both Trump and Vance, but I'm still gonna quietly pray to whoever is listening that it happens.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Correct. It is 100% illegal to call for the sudden and violent death of Trump and Vance, even if you think that they are white trash traitors who would, in fact, be better off dead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

Nah, I'm sorry but I don't think it would be fair and ethical to call for their sudden death.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

Congrats Never Genocide people posing as Progressives. We fucking warned you that exactly this was going to happen. Trump and his cult would side with Russia and throw Ukraine under the bus.

Great fucking job.

And great fucking job, Mods, for protecting those fucks in the name of civility.

We are the baddies now. And we got here because you'd rather protect Nazis from being punched in the mouth for their words and actions in the name of civility.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Congrats Never Genocide people posing as Progressives

Centrists do think that "never genocide" is a bad position.

We fucking warned you that exactly this was going to happen.

No. You screamed abuse at anyone to your left and only your left because opposition to genocide is opposition to your wing of the party. Progressives tried to warn you what would happen if you didn't ditch Netanyahu. We could read the writing on the wall. You had all the warning in the fucking world that if you kept pissing off people you needed to win, they wouldn't vote for you. You loved genocide so dearly that you kept going.

We are the baddies now.

You always have been. I reluctantly voted for Harris and I may one day stop resenting being manipulated into voting for genocide.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Doing God's work in excusing the DNC's unwillingness to do what it took to defeat Trump (just like, right now, they're not doing what it takes to stop him).

For the instinctive ass-kisser it's never the Royalty who is to blame, always the plebes.

With an "opposition" that doesn't actually oppose and is ever less representative of the population, Project 2025 was always going to happen, sooner or later, since the trend of the last 2 decades has been ever more of far right populism, propped up by the Democrats' ever more Rightwing policies and ever less trying to represent the broader population (and repeatedly using "we're not them" as their entire electoral strategy).

You know what might've worked? Not having licked the boots of the Democrat Leadership during the last decade or two.

Now, you're getting to enjoy the bed you made for yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Thank fucking God we didn't vote for Harris because she wouldn't outright condemn Israel. Totally worth everything happening now (that any remotely educated and reasonable person warned about).

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 hours ago

Better to suck Putin’s cock than to have a female president

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

I’m glad we get to see this shameful display. I wouldn’t talk to a dog like that, much less the democratically elected leader of another sovereign nation that’s an ally. The US used to be a beacon of freedom and diplomacy, but clearly we shouldn’t expect that from the current regime.

Europe will keep supporting Ukraine regardless, but it really is in the US’ interests to stay involved in this conflict. It’s disconcerting that Trump can’t seem to grasp that basic fact.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I hope that the rest of the world is taking notes and realizing that they cannot rely on the current US government to uphold its side of any prior agreements (or even the basic tenets of etiquette in civil discourse).

I hope that every country that does most of its trade with the US is quietly looking for new markets.

I hope that Republican isolationism actually comes to pass so that the entire population of the US can feel exactly how painful it will be to cut themselves off from the rest of the world. And then in two years, I hope enough people will get off their asses and vote against the people who let it happen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Do you really think Dumpf and his puppeteers are going to allow free and fair elections? I don't even believe this last election was such.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Living in a red state I believe the election was fair... but the cult is all too real. So is gerrymeandering.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

The rest of the world certainly is watching.

There's been pretty much universal condemnation and acknowledgement that the US is no longer the leader of the free world.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It's also just so weak.

Not that macho'ism should be a major point or even desirable trait for a world leader IMO, but so many people like Trump because he's allegedly strong. Yet when I watch the above clip I just keep thinking "he's so weak and soft and overly sensitive to essentially everything." Like how can you want a tough leader, then watch that exchange and think "Trump is tough." What?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's my main takeaway. If you want to appear stronk leedr, this isn't it. This just makes you seem desperate because your russian money givers are getting impatient.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It also feels like it was all planned. From his time on TV Trump knows a lot about creating drama. First we have "he's a dictator", everyone expects Trump to be against Ukraine. Then in episode 2 there's a twist - France and Britain show up and Trump is very amenable to give people hope again, and finally it all blows up in a dramatic clash. Trump even tells us "that's why I let it go on so long... its going to make great television".

The whole thing was about telling the story that Trump is the strong peace seeking negotiator and it all fell through because zelensky won't be reasonable and is trying to take advantage of the US who he doesn't respect.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

If the Europe had any sense of self respect the US embassies would be closing everywhere right now just like the russian ones.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

Trump sucks, I hope Ukraine wins,and I hope Putin is judged by history for his aggression and the general incompetence of his government.

But very few Russian embassies were ever closed, and rightly so. Some were downsized and suspected spies were given the boot. If Europe wants to do that with Americans, yeah smart.

Outright closing embassies would be a massive misstep, completely (edit: unwarranted, I mean) warranted, and miss the entire point of diplomacy.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

It's kinda sad to see your big brother go down like this. We fought together for the last 100 years, and now he's a shivering meth head.

Don't worry, we'll deal with Putin, and then we can deal with your problems before China tries to pull a fast one.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

What a shit show...

This is the weakness of modern democracies... You, as Putin, can just wait for 4 years and there will maybe be an idiot in power, who.ruins everything done before.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Biden is at fault here too though. He was way too timid in his support for Ukraine, slow rolling aid and self-imposing all kinds of imaginary red lines. For more than two years he acted as if he was going to be president forever, with vapid statements like "we will support Ukraine for as long as it takes", and didn't take into account that there was a good chance that the next president would again be a buffoon who would try everything to undo previous policies.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

It's the whole paradox of tolerance, on a slightly different level.

A democratic society cannot allow non-democractic elements such as Trump to use the democratic process. By it's very nature. People will then say "but it's democracy, I should be able to choose whatever I want", yes, except choosing against democracy. Which is by definition not a choice that can be available.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yes democracy is too easily undermined, it needs constant protection. The people need to always be educated and it can not be that such pathetic Populism makes you the leader of the most powerful country

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