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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

I have always said that so long as McDonalds has a hot burger for a few bucks on every street corner, there will not be a revolution in the US.

Rather than starving to death, we have an obesity epidemic along with an opiate epidemic, which prevents the revolution from getting up off the couch.

Not trying to claim a conspiracy here, just the way things are.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, the gap between the wealthiest and everyone else literally does not matter at all, when it comes to 'motivation for revolution'.

The overall level/amount/condition of poverty is what matters. And let's be real, things are not nearly as bad in the US today as they were in France before the French Revolution. Not even close.

Fact is, if you magically bumped everyone up so that no one was making less than $75k a year, the wealth gap would be essentially identical to what it is now, because the gap between zero and 75k is nothing compared to the gap between 75k and hundreds of billions. But no one would be suffering in poverty, so would anyone care about the wealth gap, then? I seriously doubt it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Great point!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

McDonald's charging $10-20 for shit-tier burgers in some of the US: 👀👀

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

McDonald's is expensive now.

A double cheeseburger was a dollar a few years ago, sure. But it's almost that much for a single nugget these days.

A hash brown is 3.50 at the one by my office.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Looked it up:

McDonald's double cheeseburger hasn't been a dollar for over 15 years (started in 2002, and in 2008, the McDouble replaced it, which had one fewer slice of cheese). And the McDouble itself stopped being a dollar in 2013, over a decade ago. Bit more than "a few years ago"--I think Covid screwed up everyone's perception of time more than usual, lol.

That said, I get lunch at work several times a week at Wendy's and always pay less than $5, not too bad all things considered imo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Wendy's is still a pretty good deal. A cup of chili and some nuggets ain't a bad price.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

It only takes about 3% of the population to push effective revolution. That's still over ten million people. We might be getting close.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Ahhh so the Wall-E form of public control.

I can see it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Conspiracies happen in secret. There's no hidden agenda, just the publicly-stated agenda.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Just offer free food and specially free opiates if they start a revolution. There's many means to a end

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Tesla employee count: 140,473

SpaceX employee count: 13,000

Elon Musk could transfer $1 million in stock to each of his 153,473 employees,
which would cost him $153 billion and he would still have a net worth of $302 billion!
He'd still be the richest man in the world and would still have $56 billion more than Jeff Bezos!

And some of that money he has came from under-paying factory workers at his Fremont, California assembly plant. For a long time the hourly rate was $22 (not sure what it is now) but auto plants in the Midwest were paying that or better and he was paying $22 per hour in one of the highest cost of living areas in the country.

Elon is now worth more than Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates combined.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

why would you crop out the source declaration?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

“Data for Boston 40% in France is extrapolated from a single data point.”

Oh I see, this is reliable data.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

You want absolutely precise statistic data from XVIII century?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I want more than one data point. This is poor scholarship being presented as rigor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Why would you post an image of text?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Americans are too weak to demand what we deserve. Too complacent.

Worker productivity has skyrocketed over the last century, but we're still working the same 40+ hour work weeks. What's the point of advancing technology and increasing efficiency if our lives don't get easier/happier?

Healthcare is dogshit and we're all categorically getting ripped off by it.

We used to tax rich people appropriately in this country and, surprise surprise, the middle class was way stronger back then.

Now we're just pussies that let the useless mega-rich do whatever the fuck they want to us and idolize them for it.

We're a bunch of bitches is what we are. Too feeble and uneducated to bring about real change. Even voting against our own best interests because we can't be bothered to learn anything. We're honestly pathetic.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Despite the current wealth inequality a good number of people are still living decently enough.

I'm waiting to see what happens when Trump starts putting his taxes in place. When people are miserable enough they'll take to the streets and protest. If we reach a breaking point where living conditions completely break down and there still aren't protests then it may as well be over for democracy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As if the US is currently a Democracy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Never has been

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

America is a frog getting slowly heated in a pot of water. The only hope is to turn up the heat fast enough and high enough that the frog jumps out of the pot before it gets cooked

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah there is no single explanation for revolution. Looking strictly to wealth distribution is reductionistic at best. I mean, wealth distribution was arguably better in the U.S. in the 1860s than it was in the prelude to Revolutionary France and yet we had a Civil War lmfao. There are endless examples that disprove this rule. The reality is: popular unrest is extremely complicated, and the factors that lead up to it are varied with fluctuating levels of influence at different stages of development. Sure, perception of wealth is a key component... but its hardly an explainer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Despite the current wealth inequality

It's not "despite" the gap, because the gap itself does not cause poverty. If the poorest person in the US made $75k/year (in other words, poverty completely eradicated), the size of the gap would still be pretty much exactly the same (after all, the difference between zero and 75k is nothing compared to the difference between 75k and hundreds of billions, which is the current net worth of those with the most wealth).

After all, 50 years ago, the gap was significantly smaller, but the overall incidence of poverty was much higher.

Someone's always going to have the most. And new wealth is constantly being created. And net worth is a valuation, a price tag, not an amount of cash (which is the primary reason it can go up as fast as it can--cash money simply can't do that). Given these facts, expect this gap to always exist (and almost certainly continue to widen), even after poverty is eradicated.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

yes but have you considered that in nk they have no food and push the trains? (source: CIA) instead of all this radical talk i think we should VOTE harder, especially for progressive like bernie and aoc

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Careful, bub, there are people lurking who think this quite seriously

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You don't? Tankie detected 😠

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Gasp! My clever disguise has been sundered!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

they shaped their culture around anticommunism. you bet they will keep alienating their people further, and will hold off a revolution for as long as possible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Looking at wealth distribution on a country-by-country basis is a mistake.

Take that US wealth distribution graph and then graph it with the rest of the world; the reason there's no revolution becomes obvious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

please provide image

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

The top 10% have 70.7% of wealth in the US currently (from the federal reserve website)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

They let us eat cake.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean...there was an attempt. The chronically online seem to think a revolution in the USA would be socialist, but these are Americans we're talking about. Its either be back to 1800s style libertarian ethics or fascism, corporatism, something like that, decimating government power not increasing it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Maybe. There was occupy wall street and an assassinated CEO this last week though

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