I came here for piracy and politics but hate ai. Is this the right place to be? : div0

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Most of what we do here regarding AI is FOSS AI using community run or self-hosted generators. None of the corporate AI bullshit like you sometimes see elsewhere.

Regardless if you still don't like it and don't want to be part of it, then it's no big deal, just block or ignore the communities which are dedicated to AI stuff. The only thing you really shouldn't do in regards to that is Anti-AI trolling, like attacking people who do like it, or making bad-faith comparisons or accusations. If you don't like it just don't engage with it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

I find the technology interesting but AI as a social phenomenon has been abhorrent.

I think most of us here have a similar view. Plagiarism machine is accurate, but that’s what a Google search looks like to someone from 1985. Not that I don’t prefer getting linked to information sources rather than getting incoherent slop.

I’ve not hated using local image generation to mock up ideas or turn around a private joke meme with friends. I have hated every advertisement bombarding me with nonsense buzzwords and leaders at work not understanding the technology. But I’m not an artist or writer whose work is getting chewed into a machine that gets all the credit. And I’m not a woman who could be blackmailed (or at least be robbed of agency) by fake nudes. Machine learning is a power tool, unfortunately people are just bastards.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You'll have no trouble blocking AI here. This instance federated with almost all others and leaves it up to you to block them how you want. I will say db0 is my favorite instance so far.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why is it your fav?

And I also don’t love how ai images go into all other communities here though but I prefer the piracy

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

For one it has a cool name, the mods here don't cause much drama (that I know of), the users don't brigade threads like with Hexbear, and piracy is celebrated unlike other websites. Ultimately I hope you find what you're looking for even if it's not this place

EDIT: Almost forgot. /0 doesn't censor what you read like with lemmy.ml (e g. "bitch" reads as removed).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

brigade threads like with Hexbear

Gondor has called for aid?! Rohan will answer!

As a more serious response: we... don't actually do that. It's not a coordinated thing. There's no Secret Hexbear Discord Cabal where we congregate and conspire to raid an instance and be dickheads. It's organic content from real people.

Very early on (years before federation and the Reddit exodus) we made a decision to remove downvotes from our instance. We were having a serious problem with trans users being anonymously bullied by a small number of bad actors downvoting all their content. So, we purged those assholes' accounts and turned downvotes off. The intent was to encourage a culture of active participation by de-anonymizing disagreement. If you want to disagree with something on Hexbear, you need to say it out loud in public.

Post-federation, other instances interpreted that as "brigading". It isn't. If we see something we think is bad, we tell you, instead of just pressing the "I Disagree" button. I understand that isn't to everybody's taste, and I don't blame anybody for blacklisting our Lemmy instance—we intentionally buck the trend of passive scrolling through social media. If you just want to share some memes and have a lark, Hexbear probably isn't for you. And that's fine! That's what's cool about Lemmy—you can just shut off a community you don't like!

(And, anticipating responses: yes, I am aware that there's a small segment of Hexbears who seem to enjoy inter-instance drama. That's true of all instances, though. We regularly see the same kind of behavior from visitors back home, too. But, we've got a culture of being extremely vocal. So our assholes are loud, too. And if something is organically popular enough to show up cross-instance, they'll dogpile on it. Sorry about that.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the enforced anonymity of up-votes and down-votes(and the seeming concensus that "this is a good thing"). Whether I can articulate all of my opinions or not, I definitely don't care to take the time to do so with all of them, particularly when they've already been spelled out by others(yay up-votes). A stupid number is easier to ignore than a well-thought-out(or otherwise) wall-of-text, that spaws others.

Personally, I have no qualms about blocking someone over their up-votes and down-votes, and anonymizing, or disabling, either, just seems to make it easier for trash that can keep quiet to hide. Personally, I identify with Marjory, so I guess it evens out.

TL;DR: I'm all for giving (biggotted)trash the lowest-effort-possible ways to out themselves, provided the rest of us can act upon it.

... but y'all seem to have figured it out within the constraints of the Lemmy system, while I'm still reeling at the notion that this seems to be the best thing out there with any traction among the masses.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

You can get a bunch of funny posts, the moderation is really good, people typically say what they think and aren't cowed into saying what is expected and so I like to believe there is some version of free thought happening. I like it, it's been a good experience. Yeah I blocked all the random stuff that I didn't like and it wasn't a problem. Any instance you choose is going to have something that you find obnoxious for whatever reason and you're going to have to block those communities. Additionally you're going to encounter some random instance that you find obnoxious at the instance level and you can block the entire instance.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You're fine. Generally the instance is anti-copyright, so arguments against AI or piracy based on copyrights tend to fall flat. At the same time, we also hate the corporate GenAI and the overinflated hype around it. We support GenAI only when it's done via FOSS and without relying on vulture capitalism.

I just ask you don't go around scolding people about using GenAI in this instance as it becomes tiring. Just block the GenAI comms.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Thanks for responding and explaining :) I’m all for FOSS.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just block the AI communities, you should be fine

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Concerned that it goes against the founders whole thing… but here seems better than .world

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You blocking a community does not impact anyone but you. I can't speak for the dbzer0 admin team, but I would be surprised to see them caring about this kind of personal decisions

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

We don't, but I hope people who hate GenAI don't become scolds about it :D

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You aren't expected to like AI to be a user here, matey. It's just something db0 is really into and has done some cool projects with, e.g. the AI Horde which is a community-powered AI image generator. But if you really hated piracy, this might not be the instance for you, lol.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And not to forget https://github.com/db0/fedi-safety ! AI is also helping keep the instance clean from CSAM and some other shit.

I hate the corporate AI hype as much as anyone, but that doesn't make the technology any less useful or interesting

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Exactly. I hate the corporate GenAI and the massive hype around it. I don't hate the tech itself and I consider the only ethical use of GenAI to be via FOSS licensing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for the respond! Good to hear. I really LOVE piracy, so sounds like I’m in the right place

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Welcome aboard then! :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Aye aye cap’n

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Just block the communities you don't want to see. That is the power you have. Use it wisely.

I for one very much Enjoy reading up on AI stuff I'm visually impaired and use AI pretty much daily to read images and memes For me it's been a game changer

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Block what you don’t like to see. Block users who you don’t like. Doesn’t matter which instance you’re on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I like AI because of my leftist politics but as long as you don't hate minorities or the poor or plan to constantly beef with anarchists, leftists and progressives from a conservative perspective in general I'd have no issue with you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I like AI because of my leftist politics

What does this even mean?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I upvoted that comment, but I'm right there with you in wanting it spelled out by that particular user. Personally, I see AI as the beginnings of a future generation of person, and I despise Copyright profiteering by middle-men.

Doesn't mean I'm okay with all of the resources getting wasted on it, the damage to the environment, or those people going un-paid for their existing body of work, nor those who will be unable to make a living through creative works in the future, because of AI.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

1)Copyright is mafia protection for corpos

2)Corpos bad

3)Copyright infringement good

4)Image-gen AI allows working class masses who can't spec into drawing or any other skills that don't guarantee jobs to infringe copyright en-masse with art.

5)Image-gen AI good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Okay I see. However I would counter that the environmental, social, socioeconomic, and other side effects of AI are more than enough to offset the good done by the image generating parts of AI. Not that I think your argument is invalid, just not really worth it to me. And I most definitely do not think supporting AI is an inherently leftist viewpoint.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Sure, I agree, corpo AIs are awful, but it's not the tech, it's who has it that's the issue. I'm not simping for altrightman and his gippity, I'm only for open source locally run AI models like StableDiffusion or Mistral7B.

As long as you don't have a fundamental problem with the tech because it erodes the human spirit of creativity or some dumb shit then we're in agreement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

not really how this works