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Putin 'starting to understand he may not win' the war in Ukraine (www.france24.com)

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Within Russia, the war has come under growing criticism as Ukraine has ramped up strikes inside the country and Russian casualties keep growing ... These deadly attacks are a 'sign of desperation' as Putin is realising he might not win the war.

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[-] Barbarossa@piefed.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago

Trouble with that is they inherit a bunch of propagandized people with that territory, that’s no good for their elections.

[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago

I suppose that's true. I just think that there should some sort of semi-permanent punishment for a nation purposefully murdering the citizens of another in order to steal their land. If a nation is attempting to gain territory through violent means and ends up losing it instead, then I see that as a fitting punishment.

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 weeks ago

there should some sort of semi-permanent punishment for a nation purposefully murdering the citizens of another in order to steal their land

Easy, the leaders of that nation should be executed.

[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago

Personal consequences for the powerful making fucked up decisions certainly dissuades similar behaviors in the future, but this is not the only thing that should happen. The people that have suffered should receive a tangible benefit of some kind.

[-] Barbarossa@piefed.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

It certainly would be deliciously ironic for them to lose land in a war of conquest, but sanctions until they make tangible reparations to rebuilding the country they invade is a little more practical

[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 1 points 3 weeks ago

You're right, it's mostly just a thought that I had. I think it's unlikely that they're awarded any more than Crimea as far as land goes.

[-] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Historically, that's typically what happened. If the aggressor was beaten back, the defender could decide to push them a little extra back and grab some land or a "buffer zone". Some years later, the aggressor is mad that they lost land, and have constructed a story about how they were the victims (after all, they're the ones that ended up losing land). Of course, they need to "retake their stolen land", so you get a new war. Rinse and repeat every couple decades, and you have European history up until about 1945.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

Reparations don't have to be in the form of land.

[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago

You are correct. If and when reparations are decided they will most likely be monetary. I mostly like the irony, but that doesn't make it the best option available.