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Since being on Lemmy I feel like I finally found a place I can consider more similar to my home on the web.. I feel like this is the real decentralized web, not the next capitalism nightmare which is the so called "web3"..

Give me some guidance! How is the federation thing going? What are some cool projects I need to know about? I know Lemmy, Friendica, Matrix, Bookwyrm, Mastodon, but I'm sure there's more!

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

We need a way to make self hosting super easy without needing additional infrastructure. Like use my account here with my broad spectrum of posts and comments as initial credentials for a distributed DNS name and certificate authority combined with a preconfigured ISO for a Rฯ€ or similar hardware. The whole thing should not take manual intervention for automatically updating and should just run any federated services. Then places like LW are a bridge for people to migrate to their own distributed hosting even when they lack the interest or chops to self host. I don't see why we need to rely on the infrastructure of the old internet as a barrier to entry. I bet there are an order of magnitude more people that would toss a Rฯ€ on their network and self host if it was made super easy, did not require manual intervention, and does not dump them into the spaghetti of networking, OS, and server configuration/security. Federated self hosting should be as simple as using a mobile app to save and view pictures or browse the internet.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Fully agree, but part of the problem is that the fundamentals that our technology relies on to communicate is arcane (DNS, IP, etc.). The other problem is that were often trying to translate human experiences and needs to a binary and technological format, which cannot be done in simple terms and creates complexity.

I don't expect us being able to move away from current jank-stack technologies anytime soon.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Exactly! I don't see why we have to rely on the old internet infrastructure for a completely differently conceived type of distributing content!

There's stuff like ipfs, and I'm sure there are many ways to make self hosting easier..

We normalize everyone has a modem/router/access point at home: we should normalize everyone having his own server hosted, bitcoin node, ipfs node etc etc..

And your right, these services have to be super easy to deploy.. I think containerization might be helping with this.. Think about docker or Nixos.. Make a nice GUI and simplify docker even more and you get packages that can run on any distro in any OS, that even a complete noob could spin up! Maybe paired with repos that host most of the self hostable stuff.

But yeah I think the whole structure might be have to be rethought, from the way we host to the way we can connect to each other.. We got to give everyone the possibility to decide which web they want to be part of, and federation definitely allows this!