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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I have to imagine this gets shut down hard. Capital is hardly going to get rid of the enforcement arm of the state that protects their investments and ensures ground rules for trading capital... right? It's not that self-destructive?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Imagine telling someone in like 2018 about literally anything that has happened since March 2020. Nothing is impossible anymore.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I was raised with conservatives (thanks, parents), have eaten dinner in the same room with some pretty high profile people in the Evangelical right, and have been to religious right wing "conferences" and other events. This was back in the late aughts, but one of the most common "big picture issues" (aside from abortion) I remember being talked about was the "INSANE" power that the executive branch has both to do stuff like this and delegated rulemaking (which allows the EPA to set standards without consulting congress, among other things). This was before Trump - the right was seeing the righting on the wall that they would never win a national popular vote again (still haven't) and wanted to limit the already trite authority of the President.

So this, to some members of the right, is bigger than capital. There have been a ton of recent cases in SCOTUS litigating the power of the executive and it's no coincidence that the 5th Circuit 'forced' the court's hand here. The grand goal is to totally neuter the executive branch so they don't have to worry about the Presidency.

The legal arguments are complicated, but the consequences of the 5th Circuit’s ruling, if upheld, would be straightforwardly devastating. First, Jarkesy argues that the SEC’s decision must be vacated because the agency sought civil penalties and disgorgement of unlawful gains in an agency proceeding and not in a federal court, where he would be entitled to a jury trial under the Seventh Amendment. The result would be the demise of agency proceedings if any agency―not just the SEC―sought monetary relief except in federal court. Not all agencies have the statutory authority to bring cases in federal court, and if they wanted the right to recover money from a wrongdoer, today’s stalemated Congress would need to act (it won’t). Even agencies that currently have the right to go to court would have to choose between getting full relief in court or settling for an order stopping the unlawful conduct, which they could do in an administrative proceeding. And to the extent that agencies choose the federal court route, those courts would see a significant increase in complex litigation, with no new judges or additional resources.

Of course, we all know that the executive branch can't really do much anyways. But there are a few important agencies (think FDA) that would end up totally gutted if it went the wrong way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The SEC having their own judicial control is kind of wild though, especially when the Chair is often held by people coming from hedge funds (like the current Gary Gensler - ex Goldman Sachs banker).

What would be the issue with giving the elected leader control instead of the unelected one? Even if Trump did get in, the next president after him could fire anyone he hires for that judicial branch so I'm not sure what the issue is here

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The SEC isn’t running a court here. They are taking a case to an administrative court just like any other federal agency. Dude here wants to say that departments can’t do that. This would push everything into district courts and just back everything up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would imagine these administrative judges aren't elected though, as one article says they're "promoted based on merit" which just means whoever has the best connections wins the spot (albeit they have to look somewhat good on paper for presentation)

Maybe this isn't the way to go, but being able to directly/indirectly vote in or out judges I think would be in the public's best interest. Especially if the lack of a jury in these trials thing is true from that same article

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

If these courts go then immigration courts should be next. They are literally part of that executive branch (specifically the attorney general’s office) and you can’t easily appeal to a real court.