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Muslim and Arab Americans say their support was critical to Biden’s winning Michigan in 2020. Some warn they won’t back him again over his blanket support for Israel.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Biden is going to need to reach out to Muslim, Black, Latino, and Asian voters. Any one of them, on their own, won't swing the election, but a combination of them deciding to just stay home will give us Trump 2.0.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/04/942262760/majority-of-muslims-voted-for-biden-but-trump-got-more-not-less-support

"In fact, Trump appears to have gotten more, not less support from American Muslims. Associated Press exit polls show 35% of Muslims voted for Trump and 64% for Joe Biden. A separate poll from a Muslim civil rights group found that 17% of Muslims voted for Trump, but that was still up by 4 percentage points from its poll in 2016.

Muslims make up a small percentage of the population, but their vote is key in states such as Michigan. It's a state where Biden won by about 155,000 votes. Trump won Michigan in 2016 by under 11,000."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-men-drifted-democrats-toward-trump-record-numbers-polls-show-n1246447

"In Obama’s first presidential campaign, 95 percent of Black male voters and 96 percent of Black women chose him. Four years later, support from Black women remained at 96 percent for Obama’s 2012 re-election, while the figure for Black men slid to 87 percent.

In 2016, when the nominee was Hillary Clinton, Black men dropped further to 82 percent while Black women’s support for Clinton remained high at 94 percent. Biden came close to matching that this year, garnering the support of 91 percent of Black women."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/new-trump-poll-women-hispanic-voters-497199

"But Biden only won Hispanic voters by 21 points, 59 percent to 38 percent, down significantly from Clinton’s 38-point advantage, 66 percent to 28 percent. There was a slight gender gap — Biden won Hispanic men by 17 and Hispanic women by 24 — but Trump surged broadly among Hispanics, especially among Hispanic voters without a college degree.

Trump “had about a 10-point gain from 2016 to 2020 in the share of Hispanic voters who supported him,” said Ruth Igielnik, a senior researcher at Pew."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-americans-voted-biden-63-31-reality-more-complex-n1247171

Biden won the Asian demo 63-31, but that's down from Clinton's numbers of 65-27. Trump actually did better against Biden despite the anti-China rhetoric and rise in attacks on Asian citizens.

"While Biden performed well among Asian Americans, the data suggest that Trump didn't lose support with the group, either. Paul Ong, a research professor at the UCLA Luskin School of Public Affairs, said he expected more movement away from Trump because of his use of xenophobic and discriminatory language to describe the pandemic, such as "kung flu" and "China virus."

Ong said that during the pandemic, anti-Asian sentiment across the country has contributed to both hate incidents as well as an unprecedented increase in Asian American unemployment and business closings."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Presidents tend to betray everyone at some point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

There isn't a better alternative for them that has a chance right now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It seems that many commenters in this thread did not read the article, which said that many are going to leave the top of the ticket blank, aka abstain from the presidential vote, while many are going to vote 3rd party.

Not voting for Biden does not automatically mean a vote for Trumpty Dumpty, or whomever ends up with the nomination (unlikely it won't be him, I know, but after 2016, I don't take anything for granted).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not voting for Biden does not automatically mean a vote for Trumpty Dumpty

The older I get, the more sick and tired I get of people making this flawed argument...

Pop quiz: In a tug-of-war, what happens when people on the left decide to let go of the rope?

American elections are just like a tug-of-war, between the Democrats (on the left) and the Republicans (on the right). And in that type of game you're either pulling the rope towards your side or giving up ground. Whether we like it or not, by the design of the American political system itself there are two viable teams, and if you don't support the team that's generally pulling in your direction, then you are making it that much easier for the other team to pull the country further away from what you want.

Side note: if we dislike that American politics boils down to 2 teams we can fix that by voting for people or measures that improve the system itself, like Ranked-Choice or STAR voting.

In other words, it's just plain stupid not to vote. Votes are power, and just like the rope, every inch of power that one side concedes will end up in the hands of the other side. And we've seen what happens when the wrong people get power, time and again: corruption, war, pandemic, erosion of human and civil rights, economic crashes, failure of governance, and so on.

If you care about which side wins the tug of war, you'd better pull the damn rope. And please, if you decide to let go, don't feign surprise and upset at the very obvious results.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Leaving the ticket blank is for people who truly don't know what they want, and people who don't understand how elections work.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine being more upset with the US than Hamas in this situation.

Everyone please ignore the bad faith actors.

Daily reminder to please vote logically.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Won't vote for Biden? Then you deserve Trump and all that comes with him.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

They do maybe but the rest of us and democracy itself doesn’t

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the guy that calls you "Moose-limbs" has your back. /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's fair.

Democrats have been running the same candidate since the Clinton era.

We could use someone new.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In a series of more than a dozen roundtable discussions with Muslim community leaders in the two weeks since the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas, Ramadan said the main takeaway is that “people are very disappointed.” They say they “will not forget what President Biden did and why he lied to them,” he added.

In rolling conversations in Michigan and beyond over the past two weeks, Muslim elected officials, activists and community leaders have coalesced around a plan to mobilize their constituents to vote next year — but also to encourage them to leave the top of the ticket blank in protest, according to multiple people involved in the discussions.

Immediately after his Oval Office address Thursday night, Biden called the family of Wadea Al-Fayoume, the 6-year-old Palestinian American boy slain in Illinois in what prosecutors say was an anti-Muslim hate crime.

Top officials like national security adviser Jake Sullivan have held meetings with Arab and Muslim American community leaders to discuss ways to combat Islamophobia.

Muslims make up only 1.3% of the U.S., about half the size of the Jewish population, but advocates argue their votes are critical in battleground states that may be won or lost on narrow margins, including Michigan, Minnesota, Georgia and Arizona.

That anger has been especially felt in Dearborn, where the city’s mayor has been excoriating Biden and other officials on social media for being “silently complicit in some of the most horrific war crimes our eyes have witnessed, funded by our tax dollars.”


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