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If there's any mistake please correct me (especially in the hebrew parts, i am only native in arabic and know basic hebrew)

explanation for roots and templates (i forgot to completely explain them lol): Words in semitic languages, unlike indo-european languages are conjugated with a system of roots and templates.

Roots are three (or even four) letter words, that are not meant to be used by themselves since they are equivalent to the infinitive in IE languages. So K-T-B would be "to write" and nothing else. No tense, no gender, etc etc.

Templates fill these in, by applying the root to a template. They specify the tense, gender, x-person etc.

So K-T-B (to write) + _A_A_TU (I did this thing in the past) = KATABTU

tl;dr: roots are verbs and templates are context for them

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I attempted to learn Arabic for a bit and this logic based root system was part of the appeal, it's so interesting and a refreshing change of pace compared to Latin or Germanic languages.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's a beautiful language but overwhelming. Even i as a native speaker still find it hard to read books in it (tbf i don't use it much for reading and writing, i do most of that in english lol)

The writing system's also cool. Hebrew is also a pretty language imo but the pronunciation is... let me put it this way: It's the danish of the middle east lmao.

Interestingly enough i can understand a pretty good amount of hebrew despite never really learning it except just to read the script itself. In tiberian pronunciation it has many similarities. Hell, i can even kind of understand the torah.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

A British-Israeli linguist, Guy Deutscher, wrote a book a decade or so ago titled The Unfolding Of Language, where he explained this with a made-up Aramaic root, S-N-G, meaning in this example “to snog”. Using the grammar of Aramaic, he derived words that any speaker whom knew this root would understand as meaning things like “one who snogs” and “I was made to snog myself”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I think the first would be "Snagaag" but not sure about the latter. He was right though, lmao

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I see a single mistake: it is unclear what the fuck I am looking at.

But maybe it's a me issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

Think for a moment in English.

  • I sing /sɪŋ/
  • I sang /sæŋ/
  • I sung /sʌŋ/
  • a song /sɒŋ/

Note what's happening here: the basic meaning of the word is dictated by the consonants, that stay the same across multiple words. Then you change the vowel to convey further meaning: present vs. past vs. participle vs. noun.

In English this is a bit of an exception, but your typical Semitic language (as Arabic and Hebrew) does this all the time, typically following certain patterns. For example, extending OP's example:

Arabic English translation
كِتَاب / kitāb book
كُتُب / kutub books
كَتَبْتُ / katabtu I wrote
كَتَبَ / kataba he wrote
اُكْتُبْ / uktub write! (masculine)

You do see some affixes here and there, like that -tu in katabtu. But the workhorse of the morphology are those vowel changes.

And since this system was already present in Proto-Semitic, you can even find cognates across Semitic words, and they'll conjugate? decline? in similar-ish ways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Words in semitic languages, unlike indo-european languages are conjugated with a system of roots and templates.

Roots are three (or even four) letter words, that are not meant to be used by themselves since they are equivalent to the infinitive in IE languages. So K-T-B would be "to write" and nothing else. No tense, no gender, etc etc.

Templates fill these in, by applying the root to a template. They specify the tense, gender, x-person etc.

So K-T-B (to write) + _A_A_TU (I did this thing in the past) = KATABTU

tl;dr: roots are verbs and templates are context for them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you! Cool stuff!

I guess the image need a bit more clarity...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

i swear i could remember writing an explanation for roots/templates in the image... i'll put it in the post body, thank you :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

lol i just threw a name, that's how i save my files. i didn't know imgbb showed them but i was too lazy lmao