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[–] [email protected] 38 points 17 hours ago

Remember:

There's no such thing as a perpetual license, there's only "until we change our mind" licenses

[–] [email protected] 37 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The not owning anything is ridiculous. We need clear regulation that makes it so companies cant do bullcrap like this. If I buy something, I own it, period.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

At this point, why would anyone do business with broadcom at all?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 18 hours ago

Because they make all the cheap ethernet chips that go on motherboards.

Other than that, can't think of a good reason.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

NUTANIX AHV BITCHES! Download The Nutanix Bible and start learning it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

Very surprised that this is the only comment in this thread mentioning Nutanix.

[–] [email protected] 310 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Threatening to sue your customers is such a brilliant business move.

[–] [email protected] 141 points 2 days ago (9 children)

It's also the business model of Oracle I think and they are wildly successful.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (30 children)

This is another good reminder to not use VMware nor VirtualBox for any reason.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This is why KVM is a good option, or even Hyper-V for Windows hosts. The only problem with KVM Is graphical support for paravirtualized drivers is basic at best with no full 3D acceleration that I know of for Windows guests; virtio-win isn't exactly the best option graphically and QXL to my knowledge is even more lacking, but one can just pass a hardware GPU through over vfio-pci for that.

Unfortunately for Mac hosts, Apple has no KVM/Hyper-V equivalent so your best option for virtualization there is Parallels.

(and it's honestly kinda stupid that Apple can't build their own KVM equivalent into the Darwin kernel which macOS is based on)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

There is a KVM equivalent on MacOS, Apple's Hypervisor virtualization framework.

KVM is just the kernel side, you need QEMU (for example) on userland. On MacOS you have now UTM.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

I didn't even know that was a thing. Cool!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Proxmox is the way to go in businesses right now to replace Vmware

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Our move to XCP-ng Hypervisors with XOA has been a great experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I would argue for Apache Cloudstack personally.

Though I have used and like Proxmox as well.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Where would we be without predatory rent-seeking?

Someone's going to make a fortune migrating firms off VMWare onto open-source VMs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

I know people in that predicament and they're, charitably, helpless little babies when you tell them to read two paragraphs of documentation on how to run one command in a Linux CLI.

Fundamentally nothing out there really caters to the needs of resellers. Your average resale company couldn't automate a backup job to save itself from bankruptcy if it doesn't come with a neat GUI, a 24/7 support contract, and preferably a Microsoft or oracle logo somewhere in the corner to inspire confidence.

Like I jest but there are Microsoft outfits and FOSS outfits and there is essentially zero professional overlap even though they both sell IT products/solutions. The disconnect is a mile wide. Which translates to wildly different business models where the FOSS people have been running shit in containers for 15 years while the Microsoft slaves are still licensing their monolithic solutions by the CPU Core and doing weird-ass shit like buy 4-core xeons because it's more economical with these archaic licensing models.

So sure Proxmox/Suse are certainly very happy with their sales number right now but anecdotally I'm not seeing the migration frenzy that one would expect under such intense price gouging. Broadcom correctly identified that it will take years for these super corporate structures to steer away from "the way we've always done things" and in the meantime that's untold millions in additional short-term profits.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Man could you imagine what proxmox would be if that project got just a tenth of the money VMware got?

Classic prisoners dilemma. Nobody wants to invest in proxmox because not enough people invest in proxmox.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

Suse has been trying pretty hard with Harvester. KVM-based, VMs-as-k8s-pods which leverages all existing k8s tooling, as well as the same multi-cluster federation as RKE2.

Seems pretty great from afar, though it's very much under active development.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Honestly I think if Proxmox got VMWare money then they’d become stuffed to the gills with business sharks and probably go the same route eventually.

That is not a Proxmox problem, that is a capitalism problem.

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Broadcom is where previously good softwares go to die.

Proxmox, Nutanix, Canonical and Incus must be quite happy with the new customers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

At first, I thought the products you were listing were "good softwares going to die". I was like "wut. Proxmox is fucking epic."

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (14 children)

I realize there's all sorts of Microsoft hate out there, mostly justified, but no one has mentioned hyper-v as a replacement for VMware. I've got a dozen or so machines running on a single VMware host and after the broadcom buyout decided to swap over, havent pulled the trigger yet as I'm using it to get a new server and wait for our support contract to end.

In the small/medium business space is proxmox a better bet?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

I'm surprised I haven't seen Nutanix mentioned at all here tbh. Direct competitor to VMware.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

Hyper-V could literally suck my dick all day and I still wouldn't use it if there's a non-microsoft option that works. Not interested in being the test group for any more of their shit or get rug-pulled at the worst moment.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I'd say that if you tend to like Microsoft products, then hyper v. If you tend to be annoyed by then but like Linux, then proxmox is great. It manages to be a good blend of approachable with a GUI but also having solid API and cli that didn't overly abstract things away from the underlying implementation

But if you aren't really a Linux person, then I'd wager hyper v is the right direction.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I haven’t yet set up proxmox, but yeah, I think hyper-V would work well in a small to medium windows shop.

The negatives I found probably don’t apply

  • for large installations, it never scaled as well as VMware. We saved millions on licenses when we switched, but had to buy a lot more hardware. In particular we were doing software QA where we needed many VMs but they didn’t need much resources, and hyper-v just couldn’t scale in that direction. More standard use cases probably won’t have this problem, plus this was 4 years ago so I don’t know if anything has changed
  • for special case installations, hyper-v was a horrible experience on my laptop. I had the resources, but couldn’t pass through usb devices, and it kept messing up my networking.
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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago

We told them to go fuck themselves. We retain lawyer specifically in case we have legal concerns, and the way we use their products, price jack up would be so extreme that it’s entirely worth risking it while we migrate away.

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