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I see a lot about source codes being leaked and I'm wondering how it that you could make something like an exact replica of Super Mario Bros without the source code or how you can't take the finished product and run it back through the compilation software?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Thank you, sorry to push further but my understanding is that computers deal with binary so every language is compiled to machine code, which I took as binary.

So if the language has elements being removed and the machine doesn't need them shouldn't you get back out exactly what is needed to do the task? Like if you compiled some code and then uncompiled it you would get the most efficient version of it because the computer took what it needed, discarded the rest and gave it back to you?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

The implicit assumption with decompiling code is that the goal is either to inspect how the code works, or to try compiling for a different machine. I'll try to explain why the latter is quite difficult.

As you said, compilation to machine code only keeps the details needed for the CPU to accomplish what was instructed. And indeed, that is supposed to be efficient to run on that CPU, by reason of being targeted exactly for that CPU. But when decompiling, the resulting code will reflect the specificity to that same CPU. If you then try to compile that code for a different CPU, it will likely work, but will likely be inefficient because the second CPU's unique advantages won't be leveraged.

To use an example, consider how someone might divide two large numbers. Person A learned long division in school, and so takes each number and breaks it down into a series of smaller multiplications and subtractions. Person B learned to do division using a calculator, which just involves entering the two numbers and requesting that they be divided.

Trying to do division by blindly giving Person B that series of multiplications and subtractions to do on the calculator is extremely inefficient because Person B knows how to do division easily. But Person B is following Person A's methods, without knowing that the whole point of this exercise is to just divide the two original numbers. Compilation loses context and intent, which cannot be recovered from decompilation, for non-trivial programs.

Here is an example why source code is useful when it provides context: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root#Overview_of_the_code . Very few people would be able to figure out how this works from just the machine code.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

follow up, would it be easier to read this context-less source code or stay at assembly? If for example you'd like to modify a closed source app

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Probably depends on how comfortable you are at reading assembly instructions for your specific CPU, but I think generally the contextless source code is probably preferable. Either way you've got a headache of an investigation in front of you though.

here's an example of what it might look like with either option

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

oh wow, I now respect pirates even more. No wonder there are only like 3 guys that can and will do this.

If you decompile you need such an understanding of the language. I could see someone looking at this and going "oh yeah that compares cases", but then die of old age before finishing the sentance.

And if you don't decompile you are coding assembly.

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