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I always found that the 1st three books were all logically consistent and pretty easy to follow. Everything after that is where things got weird for me...but that was mostly due to not having a proper ending to tie off all the weird shit they introduce.
But this is also where Villeneuve shits the bed. The 1st three books were written as a trilogy. Herbert was telling a consistent story with a beginning, a middle and an end. For some bizarre reason, Villeneuve seems to think that Herbert wrote the 2nd and 3rd novels in response to fans misunderstanding the 1st book...which simply isn't true. Villeneuve is the one who obviously misunderstood what Herbert intended.
So, he decided to rewrite the entire story to "explain" this misunderstanding...and in the process, ruined the actual story Herbert was trying to tell.
I've always thought Dune was one book, and Messiah the sequel. And Messiah was written by Herbert as a response to people misunderstanding the message of the original novel. I think Villenueve is still staying true to that message, with some minor changes to fit the movie format of course. The only thing that was weird to me was the changes he made with Chani and how he insists his adaptations are centered around the love story between Paul and her. But it's not enough to sour his versions from my POV. They are still fantastic films in their own right and I very much enjoy them.
That "message" didn't come from Frank Herbert, though. It's unclear where Villeneuve got that idea, but it isn't true.
Herbert always intended the 1st three novels to be told together as a consistent story, starting with Paul's rise to power in "Dune"...his eventual fall in "Messiah" ...and finally ending with the inevitable rise of his son Leto II, in "Children of Dune". Those three novels were written together, with the overall story being conceived prior to the 1st.
So, Villeneuve didn't "stay true" to the novels, at all. He "stayed true" to his own misunderstanding about what Herbert intended with the 1st novel. He basically wrecked the story Herbert wrote, by changing all the details to match that misunderstanding.
Interesting. Do you know what Herbert's actual message was? It's been told over and over again in articles and by word-of-mouth that the message was around the dangers of messianic figures. If it wasn't, what was his intent?
I actually went into a lot more detail in my response to another person in this same thread, but his message was intended as a warning against putting all of your trust in charismatic leaders...although his actual comments in that interview are much more nuanced than simply saying, "charismatic leaders are bad".
Villeneuve seems to have a very simplified understanding of that concept in mind, when he came up with the idea that Herbert wrote Messiah in response to fans missing the point of the 1st novel. But, Herbert himself spoke at length about what he intended Paul's character to be about...and he wasn't the "bad guy".
Without repeating myself too much, Paul was a "tragic hero". Herbert intended for him to be like a perfect example of what a leader should be. And his story was meant to highlight that even a perfect leader is still human, and will inevitably make mistakes...and may also be forced to make dire sacrifices in order to achieve results.
The basic moral of the story is that "great leaders" are very rarely "good people"...and that even the best leaders will have to make hard choices, that ultimately harm at least some of people they rule over. Paul was meant to be a "best case scenario"...but in the end, even he failed in his attempts to get everything right.
And his compassion for those he ruled over, actually prevented him from doing what he needed to, in order to save humanity from an even worse fate than himself.
I've read only the first three books and didn't see them as a consistent trilogy. In fact I've heard a lot of references to Messiah being written by Herbert because he didn't like the reception to the 1st book. I hadn't known much about the books/series until 2019ish
Yeah. That's based on an interview that Villeneuve gave, when he was asked why he made the character changes that he did. It isn't true. Herbert never said anything like that, in any interviews, or in any of the supporting literature that he wrote for the series.
In fact, Frank Herbert himself explained in an interview back in the 80's that Paul's story was always intended to be spread out over the 1st three novels, and went into a lot of detail about Paul's character arc. That interview directly contradicts everything that Villeneuve has claimed about Herbert's writing process.
Paul's character was never intended to be seen as the bad guy, as Villeneuve claims. He was a tragic hero. In the 1st novel, he was intended to be seen as the "perfect leader". Raised to be wise and just. He genuinely loved his family, and his people. His intentions throughout the 1st novel were meant to be as altruistic as possible, in that he did everything he could to avoid the bloodshed that he saw in his visions. But, even Paul's supernatural ability to see the future couldn't give him a way of avoiding the war that would eventually be waged in his name. In a very real sense that outcome was inevitable, and he was trapped by it.
What the overall story was meant to capture, was that no matter how "good" or "well-intentioned" a leader is...it is impossible to create an outcome that satisfies every member of your society, or avoids all potential harm to those who live under your rule. There are no perfect solutions in politics...only a long list of compromises that inevitably leave some people feeling betrayed. Sacrifices always need to be made in order to ensure certain outcomes are achieved.
Then there's the idea that the "greater" the leader, the more bloodshed they tend to leave in their wake. Human history is full of "great leaders" that were also responsible for the worst atrocities the human race has ever seen. Even a "perfect leader" like Paul, was no exception. Change often requires blood to be spilled. The greater the change, the greater the bloodshed.
The moral of the story is, there are no "good leaders", only those that try to achieve their goals with the least amount of damage being done. But very often, the "greatest leaders" in history, are the ones who are willing to do terrible things in order to "do what's right".
This is where Villeneuve's misunderstanding comes in, is h thinks this makes Paul the "bad guy", instead of making him the tragic hero who tries and ultimately fails to "do the right thing" by everyone.