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[-] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 60 points 3 months ago

We need UBI (Universal Basic Income). People should have the choice to work, if they want more money or love their job. Not being forced: a choice.

If someone wants to follow a path that is not financial viable - be it art or just a hobby - that should be possible, too.

Life would become better for nearly everyone. Art would get a new golden age, people would no longer fear financial ruin, happiness and personal fulfillment all around.

Also paying people starvation wages or treating them badly would no longer work. Employees would have to be treated well or they would simply leave. Great wages and good conditions more or less guaranteed. People could support a big family and a nice house on a single wage again.

The only persons not happy would be the ultra rich, the exploiter, the CEOs. Because this would only work if everyone pays their due and the 1% no longer hoard the wealth.

I think this could create the best possible future, an utopia - if only our politicians were not bought and paid for. But sadly they are - and wealth only goes towards the rich, while we get poorer every generation.

I hope I live to see the day when the people notice that the rich rigged the game and react accordingly.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

UBI is not the solution, ending the capitalist system is.

All UBI does is lessen the suffering slightly, why not just directly meet people’s needs without the middleman.

[-] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

UBI is not the solution, but a great first step towards a better system.

To make it work well, you need strong regulations on a lot of systems: banks, utilities, corporations.

At some point it will be easier to just give the state control of everything concerning basic needs. Then to control institutions that 'fight back' the most against regulations, like banks and mega corporations.

You see where this might lead?

It's a slow way towards a better economic system without the need for a revolution.

[-] rako@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 6 points 3 months ago

Your analysis is too light. The state isn't some magical benevolent entity which is somehow "on the wrong path". The state is an instrument of domination driven by the dominating class: the bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie is against everything you cited. It will not slowly act against its own interest, willingly lose power and dominance. It will always fight for, at the minimum, keeping power.

That is why historically the only way to have changes that contradict the dominating entity's interest is for the dominated entity to band together. It's the only way anything ever changes: the balance of forces moves in the interest of the dominated. Women didn't earn the right to vote because men were nice, but because women fought for it. Social progress never happens because the bourgeoisie is nice (that's a very nice propaganda trick) but because the bourgeoisie has to compromise.

Waiting/wishing/hoping for the state to be nice, which is what asking for ubi is, and the "revolution without violence" the socdem has pushed about, never works. As long as the people who are legitimate are dominated, it will not happen.

Let's stop dreaming in idealistic what-ifs and act in materialist actions. The material conditions define our existence. Let's set our material conditions of existence, without asking nicely, and the balance of power will force the dominating power to compromise. 

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