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Supermarket plastic bag charge has led to 98% drop in use in England, data shows (www.theguardian.com)

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Environmental campaigners have called on the government to learn from its own successes after official figures showed the use of single-use supermarket plastic bags had fallen 98% since retailers in England began charging for them in 2015.

Annual distribution of plastic carrier bags by seven leading grocery chains plummeted from 7.6bn in 2014 to 133m last year, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) said on Monday.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

With petrol you can always get a £500 banger, run it into the ground over the next year or two and repeat.

With electric it starts at about 5000-6000, and you'll be paying £500 a year just to rent the battery. It's the batteries that are going to keep that out of reach of the poorest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

And you still need insurance, fuel etc on top of that, and your £500 banger isn't going to be very reliable.

You can get a decent bike for £50 or a bus ticket for £2. The problem is in a lot of the country it isn't safe to cycle and the buses are shit, so we need to fix those things to have transport that works for everyone (and doesn't create microplastics).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where are you getting this battery rental from? I only knew of Renault and the very first Nissan leafs that did battery lease.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All the cheapest ones when I searched were Zoe's, presumably because of the battery lease not being included in the purchase price.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

@Blackmist @ChromeSkull
Zoes have been around for a while.
Were the cheaper cars not the older ones?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@Blackmist @mondoman712
I only know of Renault leasing the battery in the Zoe.

Otherwise, the battery is part of the car and sold as part of it, with a guarantee.

I think your £500 banger has to be years older than any large number of BEVs, and will cost you more to scrap after you ture of repairing it.