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Why Germany Hates Nuclear Power (mastodon.gamedev.place)
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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (8 children)

High river temperatures to limit French nuclear power production

Looks like nuclear won't save us from global warming because it can't save itself from it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought that if it came to an emergency they could keep the reactors running, only the exhaust water would be too hot and river wildlife would die around the vents.

On a longer-term basis they could switch to cooling towers that use evaporative cooling. Then they don't have the rivers too hot problem.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I thought that if it came to an emergency they could keep the reactors running, only the exhaust water would be too hot and river wildlife would die around the vents.

France has already upped the maximum temperature legally allowed two or so years ago. And while short term that is a solution, the fact is that us humans need working ecosystems to survive. It's not just fishers being impacted, ecosystems are connected and we're cutting into them at record pace anyway.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So instead of running hot, the river runs dry?

Any thermal electricity plant uses an insane amount of water. For every kWh of electricity generated, about 1.5-2 kWh need to be cooled away.

A pure air cooling system is theoretically possible, but it drastically reduces the plants efficency, as the energy you can recoup at the turbine is directly dependant on the temperature difference between the hot and the cold side.

So in any way thermal plants are never going to be an option that is favourable to build now, over building renewables, except for a small degree of net stability that can be provided by already existing plants.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just so people get the dimensions: somewhere over half(!) of French potable water is used to cool nuclear plants. The dimensions are similar when it comes to coal plants in Germany (but at least Germany plans to exit coal).

France gets a significant portion of its river water from glaciers in the Alps, e.g. that's 20% of the RhΓ΄ne water. Those glaciers will not survive the next 15 years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

By then I'm guessing many nuclear plants will have been taken offline, since they're already pretty old

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