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[–] 130 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Should've fined both lawyers for this bullshit.

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  • [–] 228 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    There were actually 4 lawyers, and all 4 were fined and 2 of them barred from presenting to the Court for several years.

    Judge wasn't fucking around.

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  • [–] 76 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Judge wasn’t fucking around.

    Just one of many such stories, and yet more lawyers keep thinking it's a good idea to bring unverified AI into a courtroom...

    Sure, use AI to generate your documents and filings ... but then take the time to verify it manually! Make sure the cited cases and laws actually exist and are actually relevant. Scan it for errors or 'AI speak'. At least fucking read it.

    I have no idea how people can be so confident in a LLM that they'd use it for something so high-stakes without checking its work!

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  • [–] 72 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Never, ever use AI for legal review for a client.

    Inviting an AI into the threads removes privilege.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    lol, that too. Who knows what kind of private legal information you're freely feeding to the AI company.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I litteraly just went through this shit about 3hrs ago. I needed to install a flange gasket for a 2.5" pipe flange hydraulic return. A.I tells me I can't use this particular multi layer gasket type I have because I have a flat flange.

    Lo and behold I find the the manufacturer data sheet. Perfectly suitable for my application.

    Like it's one thing for a.i to fail at making shit up. But it's a hole other fuck up when it can't even regurgitate information correctly.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The barring part makes me happy. The fining might make me happy....how much was the fine? Do you know?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Between 1100 and 3500. It's in the artiblcle before the paywall kicks in.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Ok. Given Lawyers general salaries, that's really not that much. That's like a slap on the wrist. I was hoping it was like $20,000.

    But the barring still makes me happy.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, he was sort of fucking around. A lawyer that is fine using AI for a case should never be allowed to work as a lawyer after that. That's a gigantic moral flaw.

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  • [–] 66 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    How the hell did these lawyers do their jobs before?

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    And paralegals, I would bet the paralegals are the ones useing AI, but telling a judge "hey I didn't check anything I just submitted what the paralegals gave me" could be worse for the career.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    I miss integrity.

    I know how this is going to sound but during college I thought I was going to go to law school and I had a cute little part-time job with the smallest local law firm. It was just the lawyer who had been doing it for ages and another part-time lawyer, so pretty much a one-man firm, and I would draft briefs for him that were absolutely ridiculous in their acerbity. He would then edit them and call me into his office and show me his edits and tell me I needed to tone it down. It was social security disability law, so there were a lot of people with debilitating diseases, some of whom didn't receive benefits for YEARS until after their deaths (benefits went to widow/ers). It shook me and the scales fell from my eyes, but we actually worked on these things. He was a smart guy and could have done a different field of law but he genuinely wanted to do this, and the college students he employed cared too, and we crafted our own words.

    I really miss that man.

    Anyway, all of that to say even if paralegals were drafting the lawyers' statements, there is no reason for them to not look over them and properly edit before they submit. Because some of my first drafts were wildddd lol

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Hey, as a man on ssdi I honestly appreciate you. And I honestly feel most lawyers and their employees are dedicated and work hard to get things right, that's why when stupid shit happens it makes the news, noone wants to read "normal decent guy, dedicated to their profession, once again does an outstanding job.

    I realy do appreciate your work, I'm a bit odd about words and love clear exact terminology, some leagal briefs I've read are fucking poetry.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Oh sorry I kinda went off on my own tangent but I'm glad you have people looking out for you. We had to file and file and file and kept bouncing to different courts and going to the 7th circuit etc and it was crazy how much work they put in to try to block it. Imagine if they just gave you benefits straight away, since they definitely wasted more money with the denials and appeals. What a wonderful world. I really hope you're doing well (clearly I'm not the terminology guy)

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I'm not a lawyer, path diverged, but it was both hilarious and devastating what went on in that office. I'd turn in initial briefs (my job way back then was to read through all their medical notes and then turn them into something readable for the law types) and it was just like "this guy has needed a new wheelchair for 2 fuckin years, assholes," and then I'd find the specs of the different wheelchairs that would be more suitable, and then my lovely old boss would call me into the office and say "hey, that's not how we word things, let's have you go over my edits" and we'd trade back and forth until my vitriol married his professionalism.

    A scathing legal brief is so exciting to read. You're on the edge of your seat like it's a final match in [insert your preferred sport] like GET EM!" Good times.

    I hope you're doing okay, message me if you want to vent about the SSDI process or anything! I'm not in it now tho

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Part of the problem these days is people have slowly stopped mentoring young professionals like that. Yes it takes time, but it's either paying it forward or leaving the world better than you found it. As a professional I have obligations to society, and I believe those include the integrity to review everything I professionally endorse to a reasonable degree, and to help guide and instruct younger members of my career when given opportunities. It's important to say "hey, here's what you did wrong, here's why it's wrong, here's how you should do it."

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    "you get what you pay for" is not even a thing anymore. Lazy people will just use an LLM and charge you as if they did the actual thinking.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That was the only logical thing to do

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    So if bots talking to bots is the dead internet, does AI arguing in court against other AI means that we are now seeing the beginning of dead law?

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    We have a pedophile for president, the entire legal system is a joke anyway.

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    [–] 20 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Meanwhile the legislators are writing laws with AI, so it's fucked before it gets to the courts

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    This is disappointing. I would not want to be the judge on a case that nobody respects.

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    should follow up with general bar reviews, need to hammer out this behavior.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I've been telling my students that only lazy people use AI. Work email about the upcoming end of term staff party has a fully AI generated poster. (Like, YOU designed our school logo. Why is the logo on the invite completely different?)

    And the worst part (unrelated to above, but still hurts)

    Staff are willingly adding students names into the prompts. Sure, you can give your personal data to the machine, but the kids? Who have no choice? That hurts.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Accountwall

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