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[–] 72 points 10 months ago (17 children)

These aren't mutually exclusive

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  • [–] 50 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    High-fidelity and artfully stylized aren't, but photorealism is like... a photo.

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Photo realism still requires art direction.

    Think of a movie.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    aight this scene takes place in Mexico so lemme color grade it very Mexican, but also it's a flashback to the 50's so I'm gonna dial down the color saturation and digitally add some film grain

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Yup. Take that one body cam game. Making an object look realistic is a matter of slapping a high resolution texture on it. Making a game look realistic involves a lot of prop work and stage setting. Making a game look realistic and still be playable is insanely difficult. Pay attention to the size of the doors in the next "photorealistic" game you play, and laugh at the fools who say photorealism doesn't require art direction

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I think we're talking about different things, but I see your point.

    By stylized "graphics" I took it to mean like the actual resolution, polygons, draw distance, etc, and then aesthetics goes on top of that.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Art direction isn't purely aesthetics either. There's so many things that go into makeing art, be it a game or something else.

    Art should help us feel what the artist intended or sometimes something more personal to ourselves. Many aspects will facilitate or detract from that.

    You can have stylized photorealism the same as other styles of art. You mght see pixel art of a realistic scene. Or you can have extremely detailed animation.

    I think the better question is does the community allow for and reward that expression? Are there trends we don't find too appealing universally? Are there styles of art that maybe seem overused?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    OK we're definitely talking about different things when we say photorealism. I see stylized and photorealistic almost as on a linear spectrum. I realise there are more dimensionz to it than that, but that's the usage I think the meme is critiquing. That's how I took it, anyway.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    What they're talking about is what I call "The Wind Waker Effect." When the GameCube was first announced, they showed off a trailer that included a realistic looking Link fighting Ganondorf to show off the power of the system. When the Wind Waker was announced and shown to the public, fans were furious. They didn't want some cartoony Zelda game, they wanted that photo-realistic Zelda game that they had been teased with years before! When Wind Waker came out, it was universally criticized for its graphics. Today, it's considered one of the best looking Zelda games of all time and was the main inspiration for the art direction of almost every Zelda game after it - including Breath of the Wild.

    If Nintendo had made that "photo-realistic" Zelda game, it would look nowhere near as good nor be as fondly remembered today, because "photo-realistic" in terms of video game graphics is an obsession with graphical fidelity, not artistic quality. That's why photo-realistic games from the same era are remembered as the "real = brown" era of games. It's a technical or hardware question of "how many polygons can we fit in this character's facial pores", not taking something fake and making it seem real through art direction.

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  • [–] 50 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    artfully stylized graphics will always be better because they will look timeless

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    There are several games who we're just "this looks like reality" when they released who have aged well too. Half-life 2 (even without the updates) being the first one I think of, but I also think the first Far Cry and Crysis look amazing even now. Good design will age well no matter, the only thing that goes away is the immediate excitement of how impressively real it looks for the ones that went for that, but they still stir something inside people who experience them for the first time decades later.

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    [–] 27 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    I would be happy if they stopped making everything look somehow both covered in vaseline while also being more reflective then a fucking mirror.

    Just look at this shit in the demo:

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    When reflections became a thing in graphics, they were the new hotness. But unfortunately they're overused because people seem to think that reflections are the best indicator of graphical realism. They're a factor for sure, but overly reflective isn't the same as realistic reflections

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Like 3d tv, this is just a fad. Most people I know turn off raytracing in a few min (even though they spent $1000s on hardware to do raytracing). The generated frames and full ray and pathtracing have such low payout vs the cost. Unless something changes this is all pointless waste.

    Best example I can think of is the rtx portal looking and running like ass compared to the now very old original.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    This works for a tech demo if you want to show off a new rendering engine or a new GPU. But yeah, if you base the whole game around that, it's like those movies with more CGI than plot.

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    [–] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Mirror's Edge is still beautiful to this day, despite being 17 years old

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Dear AAA game studios: Just look at Hades II.

    LOOK AT IT. A good chunk of the art you see on every playthrough isn't even animated.

    I'm probably going to clear 300+ hours on this thing before I put it down, and I'll likely tell everyone to buy it because it's that good. Photorealism is the last thing I care about.

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    [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    I like both, they each have their place

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I wish they'd make more games like Disco Elysium where the whole thing looks like a painting.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    you know what, I'll just keep playing the same old decade old games I've been playing

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    Lara Croft pointy top
    No matter who denies it, this is peak artfully stylised graphics for any game ever made.

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    [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Hand draw each frame. Now do it 60 or more times per second.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    But Clair Obscur, tho.

    Like, damn.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Plague tale (requiem in particular) is also ridiculously beautiful on mid range GPUs. I couldn't believe my graphic card was able to do that. It's a shame games reviews and screenshots don't account for average setups because that's what most of us have and some developers deserve praise to make it work for us.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    The trouble with photorealism is that you very easily stumble into the uncanny valley. In addition, something that often looks "photorealistic" today will look really dated in a few years.

    If you go with artfully styled games, it can actually be much harder. You need to adopt a consistent artistic style and have that style be used by many different artists. Unlike with photorealism, there isn't always going to be a reference available. You have to watch that over time, and as the scope of the game grows, the style remains consistent. But, when it's done well, it can be amazing.

    One of my favourites in terms of artful styling is the game Interstate '76. It came out at a time when full motion video cutscenes were the style of the day. You'd have low resolution graphics, and then come in with a VHS-quality cutscene with real actors and real sets. Then back into low resolution graphics. Interstate '76 chose an amazing artistic style, then did in-engine cutscenes, which kept the style consistent.

    The other master of this, IMO, is World of Warcraft. It must be a gargantuan undertaking to have a game with that many different models and to have a consistent style for all of them, but they mostly do. They often do out-of-engine cutscenes, but their style is so consistent that their cutscenes just look like even more detailed shots from that same world.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    something that often looks "photorealistic" today will look really dated in a few years

    Check the overall vibe of game cube games VS ps2/xbox. N64 VS PS1. Colourful pretty games stand the test of time way better than realism.

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    [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Depends. Some horror games really sell the value of photorealism well

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    GPU consumption is more reliable to know how old a game is than its graphics.

    When Minecraft was released, I thought it was an accident. That no other game could be popular and run with with an inappropriate language such as Java.

    I was so wrong.

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    [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Meh, I like high fidelity graphics. Most "artfully stylised" games are not to my taste either - pixel graphics do nothing for me and nor do a lot of flat 2D graphics. Stuff like GRIS is beautiful, but it seems to be an outlier. So for visually engaging stuff I find it's AAA mostly realistic graphics - if not "photorealistic" - for me.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    A person with different tastes than me, grrrr. It's diametrically opposite for me. All AAA, no matter what studio, not ID, not Lorien, their graphics just never look as vibrant as lo-fi graphics of a game made by, at most, 5 people. They do have some impressive aspects but, overall, because they try to look more """real""" they end up looking more mundane and boring to me. Nothing will ever compete with artistic abstraction of lo-fi games 🥀

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Why do that when I can just ask Sora to make it for me? Then I don't have to engage my brain at all!

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I loved Firewatch's art style. And story. It was a masterpiece.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'll be honest, I like both.

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