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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago

Hasan explaining international politics to Americans: imagine a school shooting

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Anyone remember that 95 year old who re-enlisted in the IDF? Pitched as a heartwarming story. Well...

IOF celebrate settler who took part in 1948 Deir Yassin massacre

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/iof-celebrate-settler-who-took-part-in-1948-deir-yassin-mass

A member of Lehi (who at one point tried to ally with Nazi Germany), he is listed on the wiki page about the massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

Here he is recounting it. Like, bruh, what?

https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/1712033281636814920

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago

Israel's "humane" and "surgical" strikes

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Wishing the DPRK was in charge of socialist foreign policy rn

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (10 children)

The AP is doing something simple that the vast majority of American reportage does not. They are talking to Gazans. In a shocker it turns out that hasbara and the reality on the ground are not the same.

Israel prepares for possible ground assault in Gaza as war deaths mount | AP News

Palestinian residents of the city of Beit Lahiya in the northern region of the Gaza Strip said Thursday that Israeli planes dropped flyers warning them to evacuate their homes and to head to "known shelters."

"Anyone who is near Hamas terrorists will put their lives in danger," the flyers said. "Adhering to IDF instructions will prevent you from being exposed to danger."

The area had already been heavily struck by the time the flyers were dropped. Shelters in the Gaza Strip are not safe from airstrikes — the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees has seen 10 of its shelters struck since the start of the operation.

Palestinians living the pummeled Strip have said that the military often has not alerted them before striking homes, or will alert them but not with enough time to evacuate before their homes are struck. Israeli defense officials have said that they attempt to provide warning before strikes.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ah I remember the days of 700 comments in a week era? truly hexbears Bakhmut (what do i mean by this )

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

The leaders of France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States have released a joint statement regarding Israel. (whitehouse.gov link)

Today, we — President Macron of France, Chancellor Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President Biden of the United States — express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism.

We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned. There is never any justification for terrorism. In recent days, the world has watched in horror as Hamas terrorists massacred families in their homes, slaughtered over 200 young people enjoying a music festival, and kidnapped elderly women, children, and entire families, who are now being held as hostages.

Our countries will support Israel in its efforts to defend itself and its people against such atrocities. We further emphasize that this is not a moment for any party hostile to Israel to exploit these attacks to seek advantage.

All of us recognize the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people, and support equal measures of justice and freedom for Israelis and Palestinians alike. But make no mistake: Hamas does not represent those aspirations, and it offers nothing for the Palestinian people other than more terror and bloodshed.

Over the coming days, we will remain united and coordinated, together as allies, and as common friends of Israel, to ensure Israel is able to defend itself, and to ultimately set the conditions for a peaceful and integrated Middle East region.

The Empire is all in.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

family member i know who believes that hitler didn't kill enough jews in the holocaust (it was the third thing they ever told me) is also an evangelical christian so he is now making a big show of how leftists hate jews but he doesn't and stands with israel hero-pain

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you poke me in the eye, I get to murder your entire generations of your family (j/k I was already doing that) <- morals of a cool and just society

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Israeli Jets are conducting Airstrikes against the Aleppo Airport, in Northern Syria.

https://streamable.com/b3eved

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (10 children)

https://twitter.com/carmeldangor/status/1711311306957955316

After repeated demands from residents: about 1000 m16 weapons will be provided to citizens in Judea and Samaria. The weapons will be provided to military graduates who meet the criteria. The final number and distribution of weapons has not yet been determined.

Not sure how accurate the translation is. Can't tell if it means reserve getting called up or giving weapons to anyone who has military training.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago

more like hexbollah amiright

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

smuglord you say ukraine opposes palestinian struggle, yet they sold weapons to them. Which way tankies? smuglord

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago

god bless our beautiful mods. we love them, don't we folks?

reading through the modlogs lately is ptsd-inducing so thank you all for keeping this a righteous space

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Any other westerners feel that things have changed in less than 72 hours? Like, we are seeing how the propaganda machine works in real time. On Saturday, there were plenty of people giving support to Palestine or even spouting “both sides” opinions that even though they sucked, at least provided some superficial acknowledgement of Palestinian suffering. But now, early Tuesday morning, it feels like anything other than full-throated and uncritical support for the Israeli state is met with extreme hostility.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Among the liberals who aren't openly supporting genocide, I've seen so much hand-wringing about "nuance". They're saying "yeah Israel is bad but Hamas is also bad so you see it's nuanced and therefore I don't need to actually have any kind of stance or do anything".

Like sure, it's a nuanced situation. It's complicated (not really but whatever). But thats not a conclusion! You can't just say "oh you know it's a really difficult situation" while people are fighting for liberation in ways that you don't like. "It's complicated" to liberals is a viewpoint, one which allows them to sit back and say "violence sure is bad" and never question why there is violence at all

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago

M virtue signaling lib job is really rah rahing about the "terrorist attacks" and "seeing and hearing us" "you are valid" etc and I feel like I'm losing my mind

the sheer speed at which the narrative has formed is fucking scary, feels a bit like 9/11 . everyone is just going along with it, no questions asked and you're a monster if you point out that the Palestinians are being genocided.

Being pro-palestine would be effectively career suicide for me ofc so I just have to sit there and seethe

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Lindsey Ellis did a great video on it, but American culture gets super weird when US interests are being challenged internationally

I saw it in real time on SNL last night and before a few football games today. It’s so ominous how they’re ignoring the outright slaughter of Palestinians to put the focus on “Israel being attacked by terrorists”

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Egyptian Second Field Army has recalled all soldiers on leave, cancelled other leaves, and is undergoing a complete state of readiness.

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From the river to the sea, many people are saying this!

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I have to admit, I'm still in shock that this is currently happening. Somehow, against all odds, the Palestinians are still occupying Israeli territory (or rather have reclaimed Palestinian land, obviously Israel are the real occupiers here). Over a thousand Israelis killed, and still no response by the IDF other than indiscriminate air strikes, the kind they've been doing for decades. And all this after years of outside commentators saying the movement for Palestinian liberation is dead. Whatever happens next, nobody can take this moment, this feeling, away. An unbelievable blow has been struck, indeed is still being struck.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Hezbollah released footage of an ATGM attack on an IDF IFV "Zelda" (reddit country) type in northern Israel, a tit-for-tat response attack performed as a result of Israeli attacks on their observation points.

https://streamable.com/7h6i3g

Tharallah is a laser guided ATGM that fired two missiles consecutively, the first one disables the armor and activates any trophy system that may be present. and the second missile penetrates the vehicle.

This is a very recently adapted and quite advanced ATGM which Hezbollah first tested out this year, 2023.

It also has the capability of simultaneously firing 4 missiles. For when you really really really really want something dead I suppose.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Iran's Foreign Minister Amir Abdollahian met with the Hezbollah Secretary General, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Noah from Blowback is going to be on hasan-smash today. Let’s go!

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Hamas names its operation Flood of Al Quds and an actual flood happens in Tel Aviv

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago

Pro Palestine March tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon outside the US consulate in Santon, South Africa.

For context, Santon is the richest city block per square metre on the African continent. Hopefully it goes well for the protestors.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I appreciate that the mods at r/blackwolffeed have embraced a bit of TC69 thought and are purging zionist comments.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Extreme lib mother told me none of this would have happened if trump wasn't "trading state secrets with iran" wut but she is horrified by what israel is doing in gaza so there's that at least

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Wikipedia (to the surprise of no one here I'm sure) is in full propaganda mode along with the rest of the MSM, without even a pretense that it's not.

I happened to look up "Qassam rocket" (incidentally, due to an unrelated comment by @[email protected] here) and this is what shows up in the ddg results for the wikipedia article.

The Qassam rocket is a simple, steel artillery rocket developed and deployed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the military arm of Hamas. These rockets cannot be fired to target specific military objectives in or near civilian areas, and are "indiscriminate when used against targets in population centers".

But all the bombs including cluster bombs and white phosphorous that Israel is using to flatten Palestinian neighborhoods have "surgical precision."

The Qassam rocket is a simple, steel artillery rocket developed and deployed by the Hamas military arm. It is used by Palestinian militants to target civilian targets in the Gaza Strip and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but it is too inaccurate and prone to malfunction.

Oh, those rockets are used exclusively by militants to target civilians. That's it though, they're made to single out civilians. Oh but they constantly malfunction no doubt because they're made by subhumans. I guess that explains why so many military targets get hit by them - the rockets were meant to kill civilians, but because they're so inaccurate, they end up hitting military installations instead. Makes sense.

Edit: I'm getting different results in the text each time I do the search. I guess they're editing it a lot right now. Each fucking entry still focuses on these rockets being specifically civilian-murder devices though.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just put this ad up on Israel's Craigslist, ready to do my part for the kids.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The worst thing about Israeli propaganda is that they're just straight up rebranding Israeli crimes as Palestinian ones.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago (5 children)

lol, I'm watching MR and not an hour after they covered Israel's atrocities and how the US is complicit in aiding them, Emma starts talking about how she's going to vote for Biden even though she lives in NYC - to set an example for people who live in swing states

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I’ve listened to the latest the-podcast twice now and have never heard them be so careful, caveating and couching their points. This is not a criticism. It’s clear why and who they are doing it for.

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