Wall-E is ecofuturist, and both depicts capitalism as a social ill, and emphasizes the hard work that the humans put in to make Earth livable again post-apocalypse.

I don't have a point to make, I just like Wall-E

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Listen, if your hopecore fanfic art doesn’t sufficiently conform to the standards of socialist realism as to please your Soviet’s censors, it’s basically just fascist slop sorry I don’t make the rules

what percentage of solarpunk art contains the people who live in or work in or build its subjects

I looked at google images and it's not close to 0% and I have no idea what's specifically fascist about pictures of solar panels covered in tree leaves if you forget to add the person in overalls holding a hammer.

[thing you are invested in] is actually somewhat [thing that you would hate to be associated with]

this is just a generic Twitter troll post, right down to the hedging intended to keep the argument going in the replies

Art is fascist when I assume it doesn't depict humans

Goofy because Solarpunk (while idealist as @[email protected] points out) is more interested in human involvement and labor than any other "-punk" aesthetic.

Solarpunk is just "what if we did futurism with lots of trees or literally just solar panels?"

Futurism is sci-fi (sometimes a little fantasy) and can therefore mesh with any political tendency except maybe the most purist of reactionaries / primitivists.

I'm not sure how you'd even know the people in the place built it. Let's say you have a big shiny complex full of trees and people. If the people built it, do they have to wear overalls and safety helmets or can they wear casual clothes? How can you tell that a person in an image built a structure unless they're actively building it or just finished building it?

This is fascism because it depicts evil red fash tankie utopia, I am very smart

Oh and btw we're doing Neo-Andean architecture for our socialist society, please make the necessary arrangements.

https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2019/03/freddy-mamanis-neo-andean-architecture/

Yeah, solarpunk is obviously a reactionary aesthetic. You can read the manifestos of its popularizers and very clearly see the class position of the art movement. How is lionizing the artisan and other middle classes, a reduction in productive capacity, and its desire to revive dead art styles outside of their historical context not reactionary? Stop with the solarpunk and "degrowth" and read more Soviet sci-fi and Chinese five-year plans.

solar punk is real but not how its creators envisage it

So idk anything about solar punk, but I did an image search for it and about half the images have people in them and none of it seems particularly fascist?

Okay, to be more serious, my main vibe from looking at solarpunk art is that the artists aren't involved in production, especially industrial production. Ultimately, I wonder how production is handled in a solarpunk society. There's essentially two ends of a spectrum: industrial production and artisan production.

Industrial production means factories, and I struggle to find any meaningful difference between a solarpunk factory vs a futuristic factory vs a cyberpunk factory. All futuristic factories converge to a design of being:

1. Autonomous
2. In near/complete darkness
3. Filled with inert gas

And since a society is ultimately organized by how production is handled, then there's really not a whole lot of difference between a solarpunk society and a more generic futuristic society. Less chrome and more trees I guess? From a purely aesthetic perspective, you turn a futuristic factory into a solarpunk factory by photoshopping a bunch of trees right next to the factory and replacing a field of invasive grass with a field of native wildflowers. But the actual interior of the factory would be identical, and a faithful depiction of the interior of a solarpunk factory would be identical to a faithful depiction of the interior of a futuristic factory.

Artisan production is the other end, and that's where the fashy vibes come from, especially when artisan production is artistically extolled by artists living in a settler-colonial society where the ideal form of living is larping as a yeoman homesteading pioneer living on stolen Indigenous land. Even "communal living" doesn't cut it because artisan production can't keep up with industrial production, meaning the outputs of artisan production often goes to the immediate community and the immediate community only. And if you live within a community that lacks the means or ability to produce that particular commodity because your skin color is different or you live in an arid desert? Well, tough shit.

I think solarpunk while it looks nice is idealistic and does not have a much intellectual depth to it. For example its art pieces do not convey any information about the social relations which makes it very hard to imagine how we can have conditions remotely close to what is being depicted because the works feel more like science fantasy than anything. But equating it with fascist futurism is hasty. I can't explain why because I know nothing about fascist futurism tendencies. But I don't think just because solarpunk skip labour and jumps straight to its fruits makes it fascist. It just makes it a bit silly.

looks at the 180+ comments from a post about how solarpunk sucks and is reactionary

Hexbear is not ready for the post about how cyberpunk sucks and is reactionary.

This is a really interesting point. But the fascist art is always historic "better times" shit, depicting an old world in a utopian way (without people in it). It's never the future.

I'm a fan of the YouTuber "andrewism", who regularly makes videos on an anarchist solar punk society. I don't think he supports solar punk just as an aesthetic, but believes it's legitimately part of what an ideal and egalitarian society would look like, alongside other concepts he's discussed like library economies.

I don't think solar punk is idealist either. Idealism doesn't just mean it's still just a concept, or that people want to use it as a goal. Solar punk is materialist because it describes a society that reproduces the values that sustain it, like land stewardship and collectivism. It describes a super structure with communal control of resources, which then does the whole self reinforcement with the base (which, admittedly, solarpunk also describes). It's not just the aesthetic.