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The petition is open to all EU resident. The goal is to replace all Windows in all public institution in Europe with a sovereign GNU/Linux.

If the petition is successful it would be a huge step forward for GNU/Linux adoption.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (11 children)

My main worry with Linux becoming more popular is that it will be attacked with more malware and viruses. I wouldn't mind though if Linux programmers could come up with better protection.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Linux-based OSes are less uniform than Windows. They could and probably will be targeted, but exploits won't spread because of how many verities they are and how different and incompatible they can be. Some, for example, don't even use the GNU utils and userland.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

This petition is for developing something dubbed "EU-Linux", so if implemented as is will be pretty uniform

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

That is mostly false. Most of the code that faces the network is the same. As is most of the background running code. Linux is still more secure.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Double edged sword. Forced adoption of a shitty distro, or a really locked down/limited system might not be a step forward at all.

From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Nope, not Germany. The city of Munich, and it was rolled back because a politician took Microsoft bribes and drank the Microsoft snake oil.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Apparently they are back on the Linux train as of 2020, so thats good news.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Until the next corrupt politician... but yeah, let's hope Linux stays, this time around.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

National governments should be harder to bribe than local ones, at least. Also harder to get them to adopt it in the first place though.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?

The city of Munich deployed their own custom Linux systems many years ago. But since it wasn't really maintained and updated, the user experience was pretty bad and the city's employees were unhappy. Then Micro$oft lobbyists also came in and made them switch - by threatening to move their German headquarters out of Munich, which would cost the city lots of tax revenue.

https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You think that Microsoft lobbyist would have had any traction if the user experience was any decent?

Of course not. They wouldn't have had any reason to switch.

That is the biggest issue with Linux at the moment. It takes more maintenance than Windows. And there are a lot less people with the knowledge to setup and maintain those environments.

At the end of the day, the point of those environments is to allow the user to work in them. But if the user is unable to work properly because of the environment, then that environment must be changed. It is as simple as that.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (5 children)

https://www.techspot.com/news/102518-windows-microsoft-office-replaced-linux-libreoffice-german-state.html

The 30,000 employees of Schleswig-Holstein's local government will be moving to Linux and LibreOffice as the state pushes for what it calls "digital sovereignty," a reference to non-EU companies not gathering troves of user data so European firms can compete with these foreign rivals.

Munich, the capital of German state Bavaria, switched from Windows to Linux-based LiMux in 2004, though it switched back in 2017 as part of an IT overhaul. Wanting Microsoft to move its headquarters to Munich likely played a part in returning to Windows, too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Then they went back to Linux a few years pater

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (7 children)

No, it isn't a double edged sword. Even a mediocre distro would be better than Windows, any distro would be cheaper than Windows, and there's no reason to choose a bad distro anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Government systems should be locked down and limited.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They then switched back to Linux

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

afaik Bayern rolled back to Windows after some Microsoft "lobbying"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Precisely the city of Munich had its LiMux system.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Solution: don't ship a shitty distro. This is the sort of issue that actual IT professionals need final say in. Not the MBAs. Not the politicals. The people who actually know what they're doing. Additionally, years ago Linux was in a much different place. It's really matured into something more suitable for both the average end user as well as professional adoption.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That argument would be fine, if only the Linux community could actually agree on what is a good distro.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Personally, I think it depends on the sitch. Something immutable would probably be the better go for people coming from Windows and would help with IT costs since all systems would be, at their base, the same. No one is going to accidentally install something that breaks their system. And the main drawback of immutability (less control over the system) wouldn't be a problem because people shouldn't be installing things on government systems that are outside the scope of their job.

EDIT: In a sentence: a good distro is one that's good for your organization.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Basically everyone in the community agrees that Mint, Ubuntu and Fedora are the best choices for new users. Mint and Ubuntu are pretty similar, so they don't require separate maintenance effort, and supporting Fedora is not that hard, if you already support RHEL, CentOS or another rpm-based distro (which are pretty common in the enterprise space). For all the desktop applications, Flatpak exists and is agreed on as the standard format by most of the desktop Linux community.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maybe it's too early in the morning, anyone got a link, I couldn't find any?

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