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Who Stops a "Bad Guy With a Gun"? (slrpnk.net)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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More info https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/06/22/us/shootings-police-response-uvalde-buffalo.html

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This one actually demonstrates some flaws in this graph format. Maybe it's just how it's expressed this time, but, here are some insights you might gain from this presentation that aren't actually the case:

"the police shot the attacker 98 times" which just sounds like a normal headline about how police handle things.
Very near that branch, you can accidentally see "the police died by suicide 38 times"
and, similarly, "the police surrendered 15 times" which is a surprise because I thought that only happened at Uvalde.

Like, I get what is trying to be conveyed here but the format requires a lot of work for my brain to parse and makes it harder to understand.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What's funny is that I read "police shot attacker 98 times" as they shot one person 98 times. lol

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I took an active shooter training class at our sheriff's dept some years ago. At the end they had a Q&A period, and nearly all the questions were coming from obvious gun owners who just wanted one of the deputies there to give them the ok to shoot during an active shooter event, just some sort of official recognition that they were in the clear to do it. The deputies weren't having any of it and the farthest they would go was, "You do whatever you feel is necessary to stay safe and protect yourself." I'm assuming they couldn't endorse vigilantism or for citizens to be bringing guns into active shooter situations, since even the firearm accuracy of cops is supposedly only ~30%. The people in the crowd kept coming up with ever more wild scenarios, just trying to get somebody to tell them it was ok. "You're telling me, that if there was an active shooter that had your wife and kids hostage, and I'm standing there with a gun, you wouldn't tell me it was ok to take the shot?" was one question I remember a guy asking. It was like, they're obviously not going to tell you what you want to hear, can we move the fuck on?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But that's their dream and soul purpose in life...to shoot a minority bad guy. You can't just dismiss the negligible chance that that gets into that extremely convoluted situation.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

The most 'Mercan thing on the internet today.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is this just USA data?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's behind a paywall so I can't see the methodology. Do they control for mass shooter events vs robberies, or targeted murders (single target), or gang activity?

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