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Obviously this won’t work for all sports, but things like football, track, soccer, it would allow for de-gendered team, even allowing athletes with the skills but not the genetically-endowed physical attributes to have a place to play.

Note: I know very little about sports and being on a sports team, so please point out anything that doesn’t make sense.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Wait, judo has mixed-gender brackets?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

BMI

Muscle mas doesn't equal weight.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just merge men's and women's sports, nobody watches 'em anyway

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

So like women's biathlon using men's 100m dash as targets ? Women's race walking V men's discus ?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I feel like it'd probably be better to group based on performance. I don't see why this wouldn't work for pretty much all 1v1/FFA/small-team sports/games.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How many trans people are actually competing?

Are they dominating in the sports they're competing?

Are their testosterone level similar to their competitors?

I am sincerely asking because I don't care enough to look it up myself.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There’s a big issue with using weight classes in team sports: player weights vary dramatically. Take the NFL for example. Setting aside the enormous differences in weight between linemen (offensive and defensive) and all other position players, there are also huge weight differences within a given position. For example, quarterback Jared Lorenzen was 6’4” and weighed 275 lbs whereas Russell Wilson is 5’11” and weighs 211 lbs. That’s a huge weight difference!

You can find similar weight differences across players in other leagues (NHL, NBA, and MLB). Weights don’t really correlate with overall skill level though they do somewhat correlate with position and skill set (and height of course).

How would you classify by weight in team sports? You might think to do it by position but none of the leagues require a player to remain at a single position for their career. Players can and do switch positions, and many even do so multiple times during a game. Sports like NBA basketball don’t even have any particular rules about what a player at any given position is allowed/not allowed to do, so the positions on team rosters are more like a suggestion than a requirement.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

For team sports, don't all firefighters have to go through the some physical stress test to show they can all operate on the same basic level? Maybe there is that minimum physicality test and if you can pass it, male or female, you become NFL eligible - maybe it's a combine thing? You can then have since that are more of less fit and capable, as with firefighters, but they've all met that standardized minimum to start. How does that not solve this?

For broader need, maybe you could just start with the majority of the Olympics being co-ed and weight class?

In that scenario, I think people may need to be ready to accept that there could still be a "natural" separation in performance by sex to start as even strong athletes may still be socialized to play differently. Give it a generation or so though and I think the weight class thing could normalize competition level as birth-assigned boys and girls grow up playing with each other on the same fields.

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