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I've been on Wayland for the past two years exclusively (Nvidia).

I thought it was okay for the most part but then I had to switch to an X session recently. The experience felt about the same. Out of curiosity, I played a couple of games and realized they worked much better. Steam doesn't go nuts either.

Made me think maybe people aren't actually adopting it that aggressively despite the constant coverage in the community. And that maybe I should just go back.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I've been daily-driving hyprland for the last couple of months and it's been very smooth sailing for me. I configured it to very closely resemble my bspwm - polybar config though it was easier to set up. I have to say that in 99% of cases the experience is equivalent. You also get to run Wayland exclusive applications (though those aren't really common).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

About five years with Wayland now. Started with sway and now running KDE Plasma 6. It is snappy, simple and definitely so good I will not miss X11.

(I also think systemd is cool, you can crucify me now)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Generally I have when I use Gnome or KDE on Linux, though I have started to prefer MATE, which doesn't have Wayland support yet afaik. I also started using FreeBSD on one of my computers a bit more, and I believe Wayland support is still a bit wonky on that right now. But as soon as Wayland support is there I'm definitely switching to that on the daily.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I use Sway exclusively on my personal systems. For work, I have to use Zoom, and you can't share your screen on Zoom if you're using Wayland. So I use xorg-server and i3.

Aside from Zoom, the only thing I wish would support Wayland better is ffmpeg. There are janky workarounds to make ffmpeg capture from Wayland, but they're... well, janky workarounds. If I abolutely have to capture video from my desktop, I switch to xorg-server/i3 long enough to do that then go back to Sway.

I'll switch to Wayland on my work machine when Zoom supports it. And I guess the ffmpeg thing, while unfortunate, isn't enough of a deal breaker to keep me from daily-driving Wayland.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I use sway and run zoom in my browser (because zoom is shady and I don't trust them). Screen sharing works fine in the browser. The application never worked very well to being with anyway for me, even on X11.

I also use https://git.dec05eba.com/gpu-screen-recorder/about/ for individual output screen recording such as gaming which works amazingly well. You can not select a section of a single output though, only the whole output. That's a deal breaker for some, and a non-issue for others, just depends on what you need.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

When network keyboard and mouse sharing works. It is the only thing stopping me going full Wayland.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I only use wayland on my t480 and it makes a noticeable difference on that machine, but not on my desktop with Nvidia. I have been testing it for a couple of days on my Nvidia box though. So far I've found it mostly works better than I expected but some games played on Nvidia+Wayland makes it look like my monitor is about to die with the weird flickers it does at times and under certain conditions (like loading screens it's unbearable), otherwise performance is good and seems to lock in at 144hz. Also does anyone know why there are no settings in the nvidia-settings app under Wayland?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I tried it a few times on different hardware. There were weird lags, freezes, crashes, latency, artifacts, flickering (once I had to reinstall the system to fix it), no cursor in games etc etc so no thanks. It doesn't work for me. Maybe it's possible to fix if I spend a week in the terminal but ehh idk. It's just not ready for me I guess. And I didn't even have enough time to find compatibility issues. I'm a little bit afraid that by the time Wayland is ready, a new system will already be required lol. It's getting better though so probably it will be ready for business/production in a few years idk. The only thing I can definitely tell is that it must not be the default on regular desktop distros now. Wayland may be good but it's not mature. Switching to it on the login screen is a 3 seconds task and it fixes so many issues, especially on older hardware

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Have been using GNOME with Wayland on a dual GPU NVIDIA laptop for 2 years. DE runs on the integrated Intel card; Steam, games, anything that needs dGPU runs on NVIDIA. It’s been a smooth experience.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

No, I see no benefits

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't. And I will when it actually fucking works.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I don't feel like fighting my OS. It locked up every time it went to sleep and I switched to X and the problem went away. Maybe I'll try again but why bother? Everything is working fine for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Full AMD. KDE. Only one issue. I RDP into my work laptop, and sometimes I get weird artifacts on the screen until I minimize/maximize. Everything else is flawless

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I use multiple machines. On one of the core machines, I switched to Plasma 6 on Wayland when that was released. I used XFCE on X11 previously. It seems ok so far.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I've been using it since it felt usable enough in GNOME to me. Around 2015-ish, give or take a year. GNOME leading on Wayland support is a big part of why I switched to it from Xfce back then. Nowadays KDE and others have plenty good Wayland support too (better in some ways like allowing server-side decorations and global shortcuts) but I just haven't felt like trying to properly experiment to see what I like.

I've always avoided Nvidia on my desktops. Stuck with either radeon or intel and never had any exceptionally big issues with them on Wayland. Though other things like hardware accelerated video decoding have had a history of being spotty on some drivers/GPUs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I switched to Wayland to get discord streaming with audio working but now Steam remote play has issues capturing some windows unless I open Steam with the -pipewire option. Other than these issues with video streaming it’s been almost the same ir better than x11 on my AMD machine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

For my home workstation running Debian/Bookworm I started running Wayland-Plasma when Xorg mysteriously refused to work after replacing my video card. Wayland just worked and really had no issues for me so while I'm sure I could have solved the X11 problem I didn't have a real need to.

I also changed my laptop to Wayland-Plasma more recently. A problem I had was in setting up the right modes for external monitors on laptops but that seems to work OK now. Generally things just work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I am a relatively new Linux user, 3 years (almost 2 years dual booted with Windows and now only Linux) and I started using Wayland after approx 2.5 years ago. I used it on my ideapad gaming with 3050etx and Intel igpu and prior to that I used some hp laptop... With gtx 980mx. I used manjaro then arch and then fedora for the last yeae mostly and I haven't encountered any issues with Wayland whatsoever

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

When I can use mtp connections with cli apps instead of only gui apps

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I haven't used Wayland for about a week overall in my year of using Linux.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I've been using Sway on and off since 2020. Wayland always worked well as long as it supports the specific use case and the apps are doing the right thing (e.g. pipewire, portals, no Xwayland).

VRR with multiple monitors and HDR are likely the biggest reasons to use Wayland, as most other improvements are less noticeable. E.g. Sway always felt more responsive to me than i3 + picom, even with a single monitor in 2020.

If you have issues with applications not working well on Wayland, either wait for proper Wayland support or ditch them. For Steam this'd likely mean stay on X.org.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Niche, I know, but I'm waiting on full functionality in Input Leap (Barrier fork which was a Synergy 1.x fork). Right now it sounds like it's 90% of the way there but lacks clipboard sharing. I'm running Wayland on my desktop, but this soft kvm is pretty fundamental to my workflow on my laptop.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I tried Wayland many times in the past ~6 years, usually with Sway (but I tried most other compositors, other than KDE's), but I always came back to X11 (using cwm).

Around two months ago I started using river, and I think I'll stick with it. There are enough Wayland protocols which now exist (and are supported by river) that using a minimal compositor feels pretty similar to just using a window manager on X.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I use Wayland on my laptop running fedora 39 kde spin and it mostly runs fine. When I browse gifs in discord the screen flashes white and I can't maximize jellyfin on connected TVs but other than that no major issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Been running Wayland for 5 years on my development laptop (sway, Intel GPU, blacklisted the nvidia gpu). At the start I've had a couple of issues, nothing too bad. Haven't had any issues for over 2 years. Switched to Linux on my gaming PC about a year ago, KDE plasma on Wayland but do most of my gaming from a steam gamescope session. Very happy overall with Wayland, glad it exists. Sharp text on a fractionally scaled display for reading code was just too compelling at the time and it only improved.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

No. I plan to switch when I replace my 3070 with an AMD chip.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Using Wayland with KDE Plasma 6 on Arch btw. But I installed the old NVIDIA driver 535, waiting for explicit sync in 555 to fix flickering in games.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I couldn't get the trackpad working right on X (why tf is acceleration on by default?), tried switching to Wayland in the first few hours of using Linux, and haven't had significant issues since. At that point I had no reference on performance, so no way to tell if X would be better.

There's maybe one bug that causes an unrecoverable GPU hang when using certain applications, but that may have been fixed in the kernel already, and I just need to use something newer than 22.04 LTS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Every update of plasma I switch to Wayland so far my record is 1 week before running into a deal breaker issue.

Though Plasma six is so close to working for me. The only issues I'm getting on wayland is flickering in games, an issue where some windows don't show up on the task bar, awful screen tearing when using two monitors of different resolutions, keyboard lag.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Same here. I'm on garuda dragonized, and tried out Wayland for a few days and everything you mentioned happened to me. Throw in some mouse focus issues for extra fun!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I've been using it for a few years now. Not really given me any issues so I don't have any reason to use X again, but my use case is pretty basic 🤷

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I daily drive wayland with nvidia and I play games modestly. I have Xorg installed as backup for when issues happen, but it's been pretty rare in the last couple months.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would like to, but I'm running Arch with Cinnamon, and that desktop environment only has an experimental version of Wayland implemented. I've tried it, and it's too buggy to be used as a daily driver.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Same here, except on Mint. Once it becomes stable with Cinnamon I'll be happy to use it.

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