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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

And what the EV market needs is a Model T, reliable and affordable. Not all these luxury models that go 0-60 in 3 seconds.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The Chevy Bolt is an EV that sells for less than $30,000 and gets 250 miles of range on a charge. The base model is even under $20,000 after the tax subsidy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think they discontinued the Bolt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Yes, after a 7-year run they are retooling the factory for electric trucks, while committing to bringing a second generation Bolt to market sometime in 2025. Who knows if they'll pull it off, but the sub-$30k EV market is going to grow with or without Chevy/GM.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's a tidal wave of "cheap and good enough" Chinese EVs starting to sweep the global market, fulfilling pretty much what you said. The new BYD Qin retails for $15,000.

If the US puts up protectionist trade barriers, the US auto market will turn into an enclave of gas guzzling SUVs, totally divorced from the rest of the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

the US auto market will turn into an enclave of gas guzzling SUVs, totally divorced from the rest of the world

Already is lol. Ford I believe sells one car in the USA now, the Mustang. But they still sell plenty of cars overseas, including things like the Focus ST Estate that we never got here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

You are asking for a Prius Prime and/or RAV4 prime.

Which are super reliable and selling like hotcakes for a reason.

Push the 'EV' button and both Prius Prime and RAV4 prime will drive in electric only mode.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

$40k or $51k are actually pretty expensive for a car... i mean, all new cars are insanely expensive nowadays...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Nearest Prius Prime SE 2024 to my house is $34,604.

Top-hit from Carfax.com.


I don't think you'll find Electric or PHEV at much lower than this in the USA. If you want a cheap daily driver, buy a Chevy Trax or something. ICE is way, way way cheaper still.

But if you care about electrification, going north of $30k is expected.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

there's a difference between caring about electric and having 30k...

a lot of people just can't afford that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Well yeah. I don't think EVs are for the mass consumer yet. They remain quite expensive and remain unreliable.

Hybrids, like Toyota Corolla Hybrid, get 50+ mpg and are only $24k. If you can't afford PHEV or EV, then drop down to the next tier. Hybrids exist for a reason and will have significant emissions saving / carbon emissions reduction compared to a normal car, by simply burning a fraction of the gasoline of a normal car.


I also don't believe that we can buy or consumer our way out of this problem. Your actual biggest way to minimize your emissions is to find a bus.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

yep, there's just no way to build cars for everyone without completely destroying the planet...
we've already mostly destroyed it...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I like the Prius, but $35,000 is way too much.