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Did the CIA Conclude That Stalin WASN'T a Dictator?
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That exact claim played a significant role in pushing me away from anarchism and towards ML a few years ago. Despite being somewhat skeptical to the claim, I still ultimately bought into it without more consideration, and I must've repeated it to others on multiple occasions. This was very foolish and irresponsible of me, yet nobody stopped this shameful behavior, either.
The CIA document, as the video points out, is weak if used alone. However, there does exist good evidence of the soviet system of democracy. Defense of Stalin against Red Scare mythology is complex, and ultimately Stalin was neither a saint nor a monster, but a socialist head of state under extremely turbulent conditions.
I myself have used the CIA report, not because it absolves Stalin of any excess (which is to fictionalize Stalin into a saintly figure), but because of the line describing his leadership style as more of a "captain of a team," which is backed up by reporters like Anna Louise Strong's first hand experience.
Finally, it's important for any ML to recognize that no socialist project has been free of sin, no socialist leader without bloodless hands, including innocent blood. People often get caught up in historical debates more than they do material reality of today. We must know our history to know how best to learn from our mistakes, but too often Marxists debate which historical figure was morally superior, vs which was theoretically and practically correct.
Stalin was more correct than Trotsky regarding the issues they debated at the time, such as socialism in one country vs permanent revolution. Stalin had a better theoretical line regarding the peasantry, and ultimately did oversee the world's first Marxist state and navigated tumultuous waters. Trotsky did more than a fair amount to undermine socialism, and Trotskyist organizations have been more of an enemy to socialism than an ally, with few exceptions. Trotksy was sometimes correct, though, such as analyzing fascism. Neither were perfect saints nor devils, even if Stalin was better than Trotsky.
All in all, what's important is connecting theory with practice, learning as we go. If the strength of our ideology rests more on the morality of those that contributed to the creation and refinement of Marxism-Leninism than to the actual practical use of said ideology, then Marx would roll in his grave.
Hopefully people watch the video and the claim does not continue to go unchallenged
You'd probably have more success making an "effortpost" about it that's basically just a transcript of this video with a less ambiguous title and a few other minor changes.
Yep tbh I'll never watch this video but an effort post I would read
This is not a bad summary, at least in regards to the document in question, but not necessarily the part about evaluating primary sources:
It's not enough that I found the video but I also have to sell it
Just watch it you bunch of
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You'll learn to be more mindful of primary sources and try to evaluate them.
It was certainly foolish and irresponsible of us (I am also guilty of it), but the CIA conforming to the liberal view isn't all that surprising when they are working with a hypothesis that they didn't have all that much ability to falsify and didn't have information from the Soviet archives about, for example, Stalin being repeatedly outvoted on basic issues.
As I recall, here's another famous note "from the CIA" about Cuba, specifically how attempts to create broad opposition within Cuba to the communist regime have failed even in the extreme circumstances Cuba has faced for its whole existence, and the only remaining option (in so many words) is to use sanctions to just turn Cuba into a failed state. I now wonder what the provenance of that note is and if it reflects or conflicts with better sources . . .