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Revealed: Charles Haywood, creator of the Society for American Civic Renewal, has said he might serve as ‘warlord’ at the head of an ‘armed patronage network’

The founder and sponsor of a far-right network of secretive, men-only, invitation-only fraternal lodges in the US is a former industrialist who has frequently speculated about his future as a warlord after the collapse of America, a Guardian investigation has found.

Federal and state tax and company filings show that the Society for American Civic Renewal (SACR) and its creator, Charles Haywood, also have financial ties with the far-right Claremont Institute.

SACR’s most recent IRS filing names Haywood as the national organization’s principal officer. Other filings identify three lodges in Idaho – in Boise, Coeur d’Alene and Moscow – and another in Dallas, Texas.

SACR’s public-facing presence is confined to a slick one-page website advertising the organization’s goal as “civilizational renaissance”, and a society “with strong leadership committed to family and culture”.

The site claims SACR is “raising accountable leaders to help build thriving communities of free citizens” who will rebuild “the frontier-conquering spirit of America”. It condemns “those who rule today”, saying that they “corrupt the sinews of America”, “[alienate] men from family, community, and God” and promising to “counter and conquer this poison”.

It also prominently features SACR’s cross-like insignia or “mark” which it describes variously as symbolizing “sword and shield” and the rejection of “Modernist philosophies and heresies”.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The people I know that wish for collapse get real quiet when I loudly say to them so you want your friends children to starve to death? Because I was in a combat zone and that’s what happens.

Fuck those degenerates.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

I always imagine those people have a Hollywood version of a collapse/apocalypse. They think they’re gonna be in the group that always perseveres no matter what

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

The other day I was talking to a friend who served in Vietnam and he said something kind of along the same lines. "I don't get these people who want to kill other people; their fellow countrymen. I've done it and those guys were trying to kill me but it was bad enough that I don't ever want to do it again."

Personally I've never experienced that. I hope I never do. People that wish for such devastation are extremely ignorant at best and malevolent at worst.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Step 3 is always ??? with this shit. The reality is that radicals need to accept that they're not going to win in their lifetime, and they need to be creating organizations poised to help long term.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they don't actually want to help long term. They see collapse as a chance to seize power for their own benefit as even the loose control we have to check the power of the powerful is too much for them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For these turner diary nuts, yeah. I was also including anarchists that see acceleration as the only option here and kind of criticizing my own desire to see a world that respects human rights in my lifetime. Admitting I'll argue and pine for change my whole life and there's no chance to see that change is a tough pill to swallow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I get it. Part of my job is human rights advocacy. It is highly depressive and is getting to the point where I don't really think we can change things really for the better in at least the next decades. If we had fewer existential threats I would think based on history that the day when we again decide human rights are a good idea would come again. I am purely doing it for the belief that defending human rights even when not changing anything is worth it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

People have no idea what it means. Like no grasp even when stories are everywhere. I'm an aid worker. Focusing on refugees. They can't even imagine what they go through and what the people who never got to me/safety survived until unsurvivable came in front of them.