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This reeks the same way the Ethiopian flight 302 did. A ton of people initially believed that the pilots committed suicide until it was revealed that there was a misbehaving system that wasn't properly recorded on the black boxes.
What they have right now is that the data on the black boxes Doesn't indicate a mechanical failure. That doesn't mean there isn't one.
As you pointed out it could be fatigue. I talked with a pilot that's the one a 787. He mentioned the detent system in the fuel cutoff valve can weaken over time causing them to be easily tripped.
We have no idea what the scheduling of these people like it could also be due to fatigue which would mean they are not at fault.
I called you out on this comment being racist because it feels racist to accuse these Indian Pilots of committing suicide when they have such extensive records, the 787 has already had several whistleblowers come out on it and it's had to be grounded for other issues, it's made by Boeing who seems to suck at making planes, There is absolutely no proof a suicidal intention from their personal life or professional life.
To keep claiming this is a pilot suicide Is extraordinarily disrespectful To the pilots who lost their lives in this crash.
When these type of crashes happen in the United States we don't immediately turn around and claim pilot suicide. We wait and see the way we're supposed to instead of speculating.
If you don't want to get called out for racism don't act racist.
So the detent was not strong enough to hold the two cutoff switches through some bumps, but it was strong enough to hold them during the crash? That makes absolutely no sense to me. The forces experienced during the crash are significantly more severe than any kind of turbulence they'd experience during climb out.
Sorry dude, I don't buy it. This is either one of the worst aviation mistakes ever made or a deliberate action. Race has absolutely nothing to do with it, nor did I ever imply that. Also, both pilots had 0 hours of flying in the previous 24 hours, so I don't think fatigue of the mechanical or physiological kind, are at play here.
Unless you work for the FAA, NHSTA, Boeing, or relevant Indian equivalents, I’m going to have to ask you to stop speculating.
If it’s spring based, and one side failed, it’s possible that next to no force will flip it to one side, but it takes the expected amount of force to move it in the other direction.
These determinations always require more knowledge than is publicly available.
I’d like to remind you Air India has a notorious record of bad maintenance in the case of AI101 in 2018. I’d like to further point out that they landed that plane and demonstrated that Air India has hired very skilled pilots.
It doesn’t seem like you’re familiar with the sequence of events in the crash.
The switches moved from run to cut off - who knows why. I believe the pilots did it, you believe it’s the detents.
The pilots then moved them from cutoff to run.
The switches stayed in run throughout the entire crash sequence. If the detents were bad before, why would they not be bad again here?
If the detent failed when they moved from run to cutoff during climb out, it would have also failed during the crash sequence, when significantly higher forces were experienced.
I’ll keep speculating until the final report is out.
I don’t believe it’s the detents. I don’t have an opinion because I’m not speculating. I’m adding that based on the hardware it’s possible that the exact statement you made is wrong. I’m not familiar with the parts list nor am I type rated to fly that particular plane.
Well specifically related to this:
It’s the same direction for the supposed accidental move to CUTOFF you propose and the move to CUTOFF that didn’t happen when the plane didn’t hit the ground. The switches were placed in RUN and stayed that way until they were recovered. I have a very hard time believing they went to CUTOFF from some relatively light force during climb out, yet did not move at all when experiencing high forces during the crash.