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Anarchism sounds great if you're a college freshman, but in reality that will devolve into even less progress than we currently have. Obviously there's no perfect solution, but anarchism has never and will never work at any kind of scale that matters. We need to purge the corruption from our current system and heavily reform it, but at the end of the day it's going to make more progress than a bunch of screaming college kids.
Oh wow "anarchism is for babies lol" is definitely something I've never heard. That's devastating, I'm going to completely change my whole political outlook.
There are plenty of examples of it working at scale. Let me know if you want more information.
I would love to know where it actually worked at scale, because I'm at least decently well educated in history and I've never heard of one instance. The key word here is "scale" by the way, it's important how you define that.
Rojava. CNT FAI historically. The EZLN is horizontalist, although they do not describe themselves as anarchist but as an indigenous movement.
Millions of people in each.
The reason that these ideally anarchist societies (I say ideally because in theory that is how it should work) only developed is because they live close enough to each other to form similar culture and values.
However, you would notice that these ideally anarchist societies are being oppressed or at war with a bigger other societies. It is a common observation as to why anarchism won't work. A bigger and more war-like society will always try to bully and fight another society if the latter is deemed weak. Like I said on another comment, this is literally anarchism in action.
I concur with the other person that it has to do with scale. Groups living close together may develop ideally anarchist societies. But if you are from such a peaceful grouping and go far enough, the other group from afar may not share the same values as you. Tribalism is still a pervasive natural issue after all, in spite of humans doing all we can to deviate from what we might consider flaws of evolution.
Which groups? What are you talking about? Do you mean the EZLN and Rojava which have successfully resisted the attacks of much larger states and also have millions of people and are still functioning right now?
What do you mean that they're small and local? They cooperate with one another and act in solidarity across continents. Rojava hosts and benefits from the help of many thousands of international volunteers. Is that what you're referring to?
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Explain yourself. Literally give me one single fact that explains this claim you've made.
And also, are you actually curious to understand what I'm saying here, or are you just trying to tell me I'm wrong without listening? Because I'm noticing a pattern here in the way you're ignoring what I'm actually saying.
Looks like you are having cognitive dissonance.
Look, are Rojava and EZLN internationally recognised by other countries? Could they put their guns down and feel at peace knowing that their bigger neighbours won't subjugate them?
Sorry mate, but this is anarchism in action whether you admit it or not.
So is your answer that you're not curious to understand what I'm saying because you've already decided I'm not worth listening to?