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Around the world, progressive parties have come to see tight immigration restrictions as unnecessary, even cruel. What if they’re actually the only way for progressivism to flourish?

That the era of low immigration was also the era of progressive triumph is no coincidence. [...] The United States felt more like a cohesive nation to many voters, with higher levels of social trust and national pride, and politicians were able to enact higher taxes on the rich and new benefits like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (11 children)

Immigration to Denmark is not a human right.

Additionally, the vast majority of immigrants are under no specific risk of murder and torture, besides the part where the country they come from is just generally dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

As we do not share values, let's disuss technicalities instead:

  • what to do with immigrants, of whom we do not know the state of origin?
  • what to do with immigrants where the state of origin does not want to take them back?

Then everybody is like "Muh, but Dublin rules". Yeah right, because those will work out perfectly for Europe, when all the southern states are left alone with all the immigrants.

In consequence, every "we want immigration to go down" comes down to using brutal violence against those immigrants. And now we're back to square one: questions about human rights ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, it does come down to that.

Now either accept it, or lose the voters and lose elections and fight to overthrow the "unethical" democracy that refuses to share their country sufficiently.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Or, you know, as we talk democracy, talk to and convince other people?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

And failing that, as the US and several European countries have recently experienced? Stand proud as a principled failure? Refusing to budge to the people's will on important issues?

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