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He's one person, you can't change the system without the people being on your side. After the Watergate scandal, and subsequent ~~Regan~~ Nixon resignation and evisceration in the media, fox News showed up.
Between Fox News and all the other misinformation floating around today, the landscape is much different than when people like Martin Luther King Jr. were involved in the civil rights movement.
Basically, it's easy to lie and sling mud, but much harder to fight with facts when the internet can spread lies at a blistering speed around the world through social media.
Oh man, that's the timeline I want to live in!
(It was Nixon... but I get the confusion, both were evil fucks)
Whoops, yeah, got the name wrong. Good catch
Edit: I get them confused bcz they were both evil pieces of shit.
We are watching one man change the system without the people. So, I disagree. Bernie just needs to say aloud what we are all thinking.
What? Trump isn't doing shit by himself. He's got a plethora of zealots and other Nazis carrying out the entire Project 2025 plan. He's got tens of millions of zealot voters rabidly defending everything their dictator is doing.
And that’s the thing a lot of people don’t understand. Trump is the figurehead for a whole movement. That’s the scary part.
He doesn’t have that much support for his actions. He just lives in a country where nearly everyone does nothing to stop him. You aren’t. I’m not. I’ll bet no one here is doing anything besides screaming. Maybe that used to work, but it’s not now. Republicans at Idaho protests are literally telling the crowd “your voice doesn’t matter”
And they’re right.
It's simply inaccurate to say that Trump and Musk still doesn't have popular support. You're in too much of an echo chamber if you think that everyone's against them right now. The vast majority of his voter base is tap dancing in glee.
I never said everyone. Maybe stop hallucinating the conversation.
Trump is a symptom, not a cause. Of course his rhetoric and abrasive disregard for the law has emboldened others to be more direct in their hate, but if Trump were to die today these problems wouldn't just magically disappear.
Thats the problem; there's a lot of people who aren't thinking the same things that Bernie says. Those people give Trump his power. He's nothing without a backing.
There's a lot of politicians and corporate media who aren't thinking the same things Bernie says. There are a lot of people -- including quite a few who currently support Trump -- who would be thinking the same things Bernie says, if they became aware of the possibility.
That scares the fuck out of both the Republicans and the corporatist Democrats, though, which is why even though Bernie draws huge crowds he gets such little media airtime.
Trump is not changing the system by himself. He is enabled by thousands and thousands of people propping him up. Project 2025 is written by a bunch of lawyers, and neo-christiofascists. If it was just Trump by himself, the movement never would be as successful as it is.
I would also argue, this has been the culmination of 50 years of federalist society scheming. It didn't just appear out of nowhere with Trump. He's just the festering wound at the center, and a symptoms of a much larger issue.