Fuck Cars
This community exists as a sister community/copycat community to the r/fuckcars subreddit.
This community exists for the following reasons:
- to raise awareness around the dangers, inefficiencies and injustice that can come from car dependence.
- to allow a place to discuss and promote more healthy transport methods and ways of living.
You can find the Matrix chat room for this community here.
Rules
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Be nice to each other. Being aggressive or inflammatory towards other users will get you banned. Name calling or obvious trolling falls under that. Hate cars, hate the system, but not people. While some drivers definitely deserve some hate, most of them didn't choose car-centric life out of free will.
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No bigotry or hate. Racism, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, homophobia, chauvinism, fat-shaming, body-shaming, stigmatization of people experiencing homeless or substance users, etc. are not tolerated. Don't use slurs. You can laugh at someone's fragile masculinity without associating it with their body. The correlation between car-culture and body weight is not an excuse for fat-shaming.
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Stay on-topic. Submissions should be on-topic to the externalities of car culture in urban development and communities globally. Posting about alternatives to cars and car culture is fine. Don't post literal car fucking.
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No traffic violence. Do not post depictions of traffic violence. NSFW or NSFL posts are not allowed. Gawking at crashes is not allowed. Be respectful to people who are a victim of traffic violence or otherwise traumatized by it. News articles about crashes and statistics about traffic violence are allowed. Glorifying traffic violence will get you banned.
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No misinformation. Masks and vaccines save lives during a pandemic, climate change is real and anthropogenic - and denial of these and other established facts will get you banned. False or highly speculative titles will get your post deleted.
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30k EUR or more... why? Or rather, what for and for whom?
I mean I LOVE to see alternatives to cars but... a fancy electric bike is less than 5k EUR, a electric cargo bike (with a 400kg a payload, e.g Urban Arrow) is around 7k EUR, a tiny electric EV from France Bagnole (from https://kilow.com which did e-bikes until now) seems to be 10k EUR ... this is 3x or 5x (!) more for a much better top speed but also not a lot of actual space.
I understand the need for an electric bike (which I have) in cities but also in the countryside, going from a small town to a larger one where public transport exist but is very infrequent but ... this, I don't get. Who needs to reach 100km/h or more regularly and wouldn't go for an EV "proper". I briefly checked and a Nissan Leaf is in the same price range.
I'd be curious who is actually buying this and even more why they are preferring this over alternatives.
Apologies if I sound critical I'm just very surprised by the price and thus which market this is addressing.
Discussion is needed on this topic. At one point in the first video they actually talk about the price coming down once they can start mass production. My opinion from the sidelines is that the market for this product is still in the pre-Elon Tesla days when their first roadster was NOT cheap and handmade, and when it was more a proof of concept. Create the product to create the market. I wish them luck.
PS: for a bit of personal context, I also cycle regularly in Bretagne (France) and Brussels (Belgium) which are both infamously renown for... the rain. Yes, it's raining a lot there, and yet, with a helmet, jacket and optionally a pair of rain paints, you get wherever you need mostly dry. I'm not saying a complete right cover wouldn't be nice but if the trade off is a much larger vehicle to park, might not fit on cycling roads and is multiple times more expensive, I'm not convinced. Maybe I'm just stuck in my "old" ways.
I didn't try one so I can't comment on it from first hand experience. At least on paper, including the claims that it is (which would make sense as France push for right to repair kind of laws) easy to repair, without a need for a specific Kilow "accredited" shop, makes is very tempting. If it's true and a random person can buy an affordable small EV and fix it easily, possibly even at home, I believe in terms of democratization it's going in the right direction. Eager to read reviews and see if it can become a trend.