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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Noooo you can't criticize my candidate it will make it harder for her to win like how people criticized Biden which made him quit and... checks notes completely turn around the election?

Huh, it's almost as if people are literally begging to vote for someone they want to vote for

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think you underestimate the political cost of not siding with Israel, but also it doesn’t mean I support what we’ve done. I think we can both agree this is a very complicated/politically nuanced situation. I understand why it’s spooked people and if just saying words in support tipped the election to Trump - because sadly we know there is no action Harris can take right now - then I get why folks wanted to play it politically safe. I don’t agree with it, I sure don’t like it, but I get why people are scared and feeling that way.

Doesn’t mean I don’t think what has happened isn’t horrific, however. And our government is complicit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I think we can both agree this is a very complicated/politically nuanced situation

No, I don't agree with that. People have been gaslit (sorry) into thinking it's a complicated situation with no fixes when reality is very cut and dry: Colonialist forces invaded, created an ethnostate, forced the population into an open prison and are proceeding to commit genocide with full support of the freedom loving international community.

There are people who think this is inhumane and they're right to make their voices heard. It's the candidate's job to compromise with their electorate, not the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I said politically it’s complicated. I’m talking about political strategy, election strategy. That sort of thing. The point being that a pragmatic argument, which is valid in my opinion even if I disagree with it, is “Trump will be objectively worse so I have to vote against him.” For politicians it’s “ speaking out to forcefully against Israel could cost us the election which would make things even worse for the Palestinians.” Assuming their motivations are even altruistic, but either way the concern is losing the White House to Trump.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

LMFAO see bro I think the exact same way, and using my critical thinking skills I used to reach that conclusion, I also deduced that the Democratic party is the only one that will even attempt to find a 2-state solution. Please, though, keep saying how terrible Kamala and the Democrats are. That’s totally the correct way to ensure Gaza exists in 10 years.

Edit: oh I recognize the ID, this is just a troll

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So I'm supposed to ignore the last 60 years of unblinking support for genocide because this time they promised. Wait, they didn't even promise it, they continue to support and send weapons and shutting down discussions that would give Palestinians any rights.

But sure, the only way to stop genocide is to be complicit in genocide. Go Team Uncritical Support of the Lesser Evil

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Colonialist forces invaded, created an ethnostate

Er, it was the British who colonized Palestine. Then the Jews came as refugees who had been invited by Britain. Then the British left, and it was the Jews who created the ethnostate.

So the people who invaded and the people who created the ethnostate were two different groups of people.

Sorry if that sounds pedantic, but I think it's important to be clear on what happened in this case.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That's ignoring decades of land grabs by aforementioned ethnostate. Don't make me post that chart

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Sure. They did that too, but that was after the creation of the ethnostate.

Britain took Palestine in 1916. In 1917, they invited Jews to settle there in the Balfour Declaration.

The British left in May 1948, and the Jewish settlers declared the existence of Israel (driving out 750,000 Palestinian refugees) in July. Then Israel annexed East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza in 1967, and they’ve been building illegal settlements in the West Bank since then.

Again, just trying to be clear on what happened. I'm not trying to downplay any of it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

There were still land purchases during the British Mandate for the future ethnostate that led to the forced displacement of around a hundred thousand Palestinians that worked and lived on those lands

https://theconversation.com/property-disputes-in-israel-come-with-a-complicated-back-story-and-tend-to-end-with-palestinian-dispossession-161250

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow this guy thinks he’s the reason Biden dropped out

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Nah that was when his brain leaked out of his ears on national television