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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Only a literal child considers both sides exclusively in the capacity of “genocide” in this case. This is like saying that the US won the space race because we got to the moon and back, with people. Even though the USSR did literally everything else before the US did.

Even a lot of literal children realise that trying to equate Israel and Palestine as being equally guilty here is not like comparing the US space program to the Soviet's. It's more like comparing the US space program to the Ghanan space program.

You just can't accept any fault on Israel's part, because you're a pathetic genocide denier, denying rape and slaughter of children.

UN Commission Finds Israel Guilty of Crimes Against Humanity

The report holds the Israeli occupation responsible for the ongoing catastrophic situation in Gaza. But it also alludes to the possibility that October 7 is a watershed moment for even harsher Israeli occupation unless international law is urgently implemented.

Israel is sanctioned for committing “crimes against humanity of extermination, gender persecution targeting Palestinian men and boys, murder, forcible transfer, and torture and inhuman and cruel treatment.”

In clear and deliberate violation of international law, Israel intended to commit these crimes: to murder civilians en masse, inflict wide-scale civilian destruction, and collectively punish and dehumanize Palestinians in Gaza. Palestinians were murdered. They didn’t die as collateral damage or as unintended victims of Israeli military operations, but as Israel’s deliberate targets.

There the truth goes, being objective again. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Even a lot of literal children realise that trying to equate Israel and Palestine as being equally guilty here is not like comparing the US space program to the Soviet’s. It’s more like comparing the US space program to the Ghanan space program.

i'm not equating them.

You just can’t accept any fault on Israel’s part,

i have, numerous times. You're just lying through your teeth here.

i like how the section you block quote doesnt even once mention the word "genocide" in it. You're still pulling it out of your ass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i have, numerous times. You’re just lying through your teeth here.

I'm still on the edge of whether you're incredibly stupid or actually that bad at lying.

So you admit that Israel is undeniably indiscriminately bombing civilians, like all the reports show? And you won't start rambling and equivocating with the exact garbage that Israel tries to deny these accusations with?

UN Commission Finds Israel Guilty of Crimes Against Humanity

>The report holds the Israeli occupation responsible for the ongoing catastrophic situation in Gaza. But it also alludes to the possibility that October 7 is a watershed moment for even harsher Israeli occupation unless international law is urgently implemented.

>Israel is sanctioned for committing “crimes against humanity of extermination, gender persecution targeting Palestinian men and boys, murder, forcible transfer, and torture and inhuman and cruel treatment.”

>In clear and deliberate violation of international law, Israel intended to commit these crimes: to murder civilians en masse, inflict wide-scale civilian destruction, and collectively punish and dehumanize Palestinians in Gaza. Palestinians were murdered. They didn’t die as collateral damage or as unintended victims of Israeli military operations, but as Israel’s deliberate targets.

So if you're not disavowing that, you understand and agree that Israel is guilty of crimes against humanity. But you don't, so you'll continue with some other pathetic grade-school level attempt at saying you're not saying what you're saying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m still on the edge of whether you’re incredibly stupid or actually that bad at lying.

go read through my posts, you'll find the shit i'm talking about.

So you admit that Israel is undeniably indiscriminately bombing civilians, like all the reports show? And you won’t start rambling and equivocating with the exact garbage that Israel tries to deny these accusations with?

ignoring the fact that you're treating your point like the ultimate source of authority (yet another fallacy, i don't even know what it is, but this is almost definitely a fallacy lmao)

And ignoring your rather loaded definitions and statements here which is obviously an intentional tactic of yours, whether you realize it or not.

Statistically, israel is bombing, and likewise, killing considerable amounts of civilians throughout the period of this conflict. Whether or not this is definable as "indiscriminate" killing is debatable, because that makes it sound like they're sending bombs into fucking public libraries in america or something.

However, funny story, this is the middle east, and we're engaging in extreme urban guerilla warfare tactics here. There is simply no way to counter these without substantial loss of life, or putting your military force at considerable risk. You might just argue that you should send personnel into the urban environments to directly counter them, but this is basically going to be a suicide mission. The only trivial ways to counter these are going to be infantry vehicles, or tanks, and bombing. That's it.

And no, i'm not rambling, this is a conflict that has well over 50 years of history, close to 70 in the modern era. Arguably going all the way back to the very founding of religion itself. There is no "simple" answer here.

UN Commission Finds Israel Guilty of Crimes Against Humanity

nice source btw, literally states that hamas has committed multiple war crimes LUL. fascinatingly the block text chunk you're quoting doesn't seem to exist. That or ctrl f is shitting itself.

interestingly enough you say it finds them guilty, but again, not a single mention of guilty within the report itself. The report does mention, at least a few times, that israel has committed war crimes, but amusingly it mentions hamas quite a bit as well. Curious that you aren't talking about the "hamas genocide" on jewish people (or israeli citizens, but that wouldn't be a conflation now would it?) during the time of this conflict.

you understand and agree that Israel is guilty of crimes against humanity.

i don't quite believe this statement, again you're doing the funny weaselly wording. I believe that israel has committed war crimes, like hamas, but i don't believe, and i don't know of any corroborating evidence that demonstrates that Israel is legally guilty and charged of committing war crimes. But again, that wouldn't suit your narrative, and it undermines your statement, so you'll continue using incorrect wording and statements to try and adhere to your framework huh?

I don't know if you're genuinely trying to conflate "israel is legally guilty and charged of comitting war crimes" with "israel has committed war crimes" in order to later conflate it with "israel is committing genocide" in an effort to "convert" me, but by that point you'll have deconstructed your argument thrice, and it will have so little remaining value that it won't matter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

you understand and agree that Israel is guilty of crimes against humanity.
i don’t quite believe this statement,

Oh you're denying that Israel is guilty of anything, just alleged to have been doing naughty things? I'm shocked. Yeah, that's exactly the point of this whole thread. You're a pathetic defender of crimes against humanity because you're too much of a pussy to take the stand you know is the moral one, because you have relationships with people whom you're not brave enough to disagree with.

go read through my posts, you’ll find the shit i’m talking about.

There's not enough money in this world for me to go and read the brainfarts of a person like you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Oh you’re denying that Israel is guilty of anything, just alleged to have been doing naughty things? I’m shocked. Yeah, that’s exactly the point of this whole thread. You’re a pathetic defender of crimes against humanity because you’re too much of a pussy to take the stand you know is the moral one, because you have relationships with people whom you’re not brave enough to disagree with.

you: "i believe that the sky is blue"

me: "yeah but it depends on how we define believe, and how we define blue, along with how we classify the concept of "seeing" color."

you: "well you're just a fucking retard who doesn't understand how perception works, you must be denying the concept of blue existing in its entirety"

i'm disagreeing with the shitty way you word your statements, and then reconstructing them to provide my answer to what that question realistically should be.

And to be clear here, you very subtly diverged from using the term "war crimes" and transitioned into using "crimes against humanity" Which are two VERY different things. We agree that there are war crimes taking place. You keep trying to semantically undermine my statements and arguments so that you can say "i agree with you" even though it makes me look hypocritical, specifically through the mechanism of silent semantic corrections. Arguably this is equivocation, because you're subtly stating that war crimes = crimes against humanity.

There’s not enough money in this world for me to go and read the brainfarts of a person like you.

yet you've done it, again, and again, and again, and again. For some reason you keep fucking responding to me, even though you just keep digging yourself a deeper hole for me to classify your argumentative mechanisms into.

you also keep (amusingly) accusing me of being too frail to simply, make my own decision, even though literally all you do is (incorrectly) reiterate what other people have said. Have you been to gaza? Or israel? No? That's weird.