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Tabs are 8 characters, and thus indentations are also 8 characters. There are heretic movements that try to make indentations 4 (or even 2!) characters deep, and that is akin to trying to define the value of PI to be 3.

I am in love with this awsome document; I love its guidelines, and coding conventions.

However, when Rust was introduced into the kernel, they butchered these beautiful guidelines, I know it's hard to look at such heretic actions, but you have to see this:

The default settings of rustfmt are used. This means the idiomatic Rust style is followed. For instance, 4 spaces are used for indentation rather than tabs.

How can this even relate to the ideology of the first document? I am deeply saddened by these new rules.

I know this is "The Rust experiment", but this must be fixed before it's too late! This has to reach someone.

A counter-argument might be:

The code should be formatted using rustfmt. In this way, a person contributing from time to time to the kernel does not need to learn and remember one more style guide. More importantly, reviewers and maintainers do not need to spend time pointing out style issues anymore, and thus less patch roundtrips may be needed to land a change.

And to that I say that rustfmt is configurable per project, and if it isn't, then it has to be. Doesn't something like .editorconfig exist?

Edit: I think I read enough comments to come up with a conclusion.

At first, forcing another language's code style upon another sounds backwards, but both styles are actually more similar than I originally though, the kernel's C style is just rustfmt’s default with:

  • 80 character line.
  • 8-space hard tabs.
  • Indentation limited to 3.
  • Short local-variable names.
  • Having function length scale negatively with complexity.

The part about switch statements doesn't apply as Rust replaced them with match.*

The part about function brackets on new lines doesn't apply because Rust does have nested functions.

The bad part about bracket-less if statements doesn't apply as Rust doesn't support such anti-features.

The part about editor cruft is probably solved in this day & age.

The rest are either forced by the borrow checker, made obsolete by the great type system, or are just C exclusive issues that are unique to C.

I left out some parts of the standard that I do not understand.

This all turned up to be an indentation and line-size argument. Embarrassing!

*: I experimented with not-indenting the arms of the root match expression, it's surprisingly very good for simple match expressions, and feels very much like a switch, though I am not confident in recommending to people. Example:

match x {
5 => foo(),
3 => bar(),
1 => match baz(x) {
	Ok(_) => foo2(),
	Err(e) => match maybe(e) {
		Ok(_) => bar2(),
		_ => panic!(),
		}
	}
_ => panic!(),
}

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 6 months ago (2 children)

honestly 8 space indents always felt a bit ridiculous to me. i usually use 4 since it’s more conventional in most languages but could also be happy with 2.

weird hill to die on. use default setting unless you have a good reason not to. the argument itself is a waste of time on projects that want to get things done.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also to advocate for a specific tab size while also advocating for hard tabs is nonsense. The one flimsy claim to usefulness tabs have is that different people can use different tab sizes and all at the low, low cost of everyone having five times more work to use tabs for indentations and spaces for alignment and thus having to use visual whitespace of some kind.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

having five times more work to use tabs for indentations and spaces for alignment and thus having to use visual whitespace of some kind.

Excuse me. What does that mean? (also see my reply to 1rre)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What they're referring to is that when you use tabs, you end up having some things at the end of lines have to be spaced over for alignment. Thus, you then have to turn on some way of seeing what stuff is tabs and what stuff is spaces and it turns into a big mess.

Hence why normal people indent with spaces instead of hard tabs

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So, why don't people just restrict tabs to pre-text, strictly-sized indentation?

On a side note: I think (not sure) that indenting with 8 or more spaces just to align 2 similar but differently sized lines of code is a bit too much.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

afaik it's like that to discourage heavily nested code but don't quote me on that